natives 4 tank

[shappas]

hey people,

i have a fairly large tank and would like to put some natives in it.
i have experience with Barramundi but am looking at others i've put together a list of what fish i wont,

what i mean is i would either like a

Mangrove jack „³ singular

Bass and a Bream

Saratoga ¡V bass

Saratoga ¡V barramundi

Bass - sleepy cod

Sleepy cod ¡V saratoga

Saratoga „³ singular

Couple of bass or bream

thanks

hope u undrstand

[fishingnottake]

umm is this a bounty situation? or are you asking if they're sutible to keep? in the configuration you proposed? more info might help

[shappas]

soory bout that

i mean like,
have a barra with a saratoga
or have a bream and a bass
or sleepy cod and a saratoga
or bass and a saratoga
or just have a saratoga by its self

stuff like that
hope you understand
thanks

[big_steve001]

the barra and saratoga wont be suitable but if u wanna keep a sleepy cod with him its fine. all u need is plenty of hiding places. i would also avoid bass and bream with the toga as well. cheers steve

[shappas]

cheers mate

but um is there any fish saratoga can go with

[big_steve001]

yeh u can put youyr cod species in there ie. murray cod or sleepy cod. but if u want to put a saratoga in your tank u want to focus on that so u dont normally put other fish in there . but the best idea is to look through some books and experiment with fish. some fish have different personallities and may act differently to what they are said to do. cheers steve

[shappas]

yeh i noticed that with 2 barra ive had one was kinda shyish and the other just ate what ever it could. and that 1 ended up eating the other

[big_steve001]

yeh the same thing happened to me as well. so now ive only got one bara in one tank and its gettin huge. but its really tame now. cheers steve

[shappas]

hey people

if you want some natives there is a good pet shop called nerang pet barn in gold coast i got an archefish and a silver perch. theyve also got barra saratoga, mangrove jack, murray, cod, eel tail cat fish, other cat fish and they sometimes have golden perch.

but you all already know so yeh i was pretty excited

yeh it suck when you end up with only 1 barra it cut deep

[bowds13]

hey mate all those fish there are fine with each other apart from the jack and toga. the barra and cod will be fine but u have to remember what ever they can fit in there mouths they will eat. the jack and toga are highly agressive fish they might be alright with a sleepy cod. i have two 4ft tanks with native in them one has a barra a sooty grunter and a smalontail catfish. the other has a jack and i got a toga yesterday for the jack from work(i work at a big pet shop in brisbane so i get my fish cheap) i havnt put the toga in yet as it is a little bit to small at the moment so its in a 2ft till it gets about 8-10cm long. a jack and a toga would be the best match is you are looking at those fish but then they are highly priced fish but awsome fish to keep showy swimmers with great personalities. natives are great fish to keep and easy to look after aswell.

cheers bowds

[big_steve001]

i wouldnt put your jack and toga together at all the toga will end up smashin the jack. i tried that and the toga ended up smashin the jack against the glass until it died.

[choppa]

the fishn store that used to be up on the sunshine coast (nicklin way area) thats long gone now used to have a toga in the front door area in a massive tank,,,,i can recall speaking to one of the sales guys and he said once they get to a certain size they become very territorial and kill anything that goes in the tank,,,dont know if this happens all the time but it may have something to do with size of fish vs size of tank,,,,

[blue-mako]

i had a barra and a silver perch and the perch beat my barra every 2secs and chased it aroudn the tank... the barra now is blind in 1 eye and has its own tank and is jst under 50cms and is growing wel

[mat_anderson04]

hahhaah

troy ur barra is soft getting bached buy a silver perch

[Az]

sure is soft, that perch should have been a meal ;)

[Darren_R]

A silver pearch will chase all other fish in the same tank untill they die. They will not stop. I speak from experience.

[Az]

I had a school of 5 or so and found they would only fight eachother, usually they would just pick on the smallest one, they were pigs though, they left my cod and barra alone until I had to get rid of them before they became lunch

[Kuhlia_R]

Grunter species like sooties and silver perch whill harras any other fish in your tank and are definetly a non-compatible species. Mangrove jack and murry cod are also higly fixed on teritory and will harras other fish. i should know ive tried all of the above.
my tank now consists of 5 sleepycod, 2 eeltail catties and 1 bass. i did have a barra but it died due to temperature stress my tank just got to cold (get a good heater for tropical climate fish).
so i think i might try to source a yella instead.
as far as bream are concerned you'll need to find 1 that has adjusted to freshwater or create a brackish water tank or go full marine but with the later ruling out all your freshwater species.

Id love to get a small toga but they do grow kinda fast and are known to jump out of tanks so keeping the water level down and a good lid is advisable.

Kind Regards Kuhlia R

[BrandonH]

bump

[waggy]

I have a 30cm leichardt strain Toga and I kept it with some large Rainbow fish for 12 months. The Rainbows seemed smarter and more saavy than the toga so it could never catch them and eventually it got so frustrated chasing them around (territorial behaviour) that it 'was biting it's own tail so I had to remove the Rainbows. I also have had Jacks which are best kept alone. I had four until they ganged up on the weakest biting it's fins until it got so stressed it died. This happened repeatedly until only one was left. They are fairly boring in a tank compared to Toga and Barra which will feed out of your hand and provide entertainment for visitors. Hope this helps,
Ray

[Cammy]

i have had silver perch for a long time! and they didnt seem to harass any other native fish, i think they r generally peaceful fish in aquariums, the only problem i had, was with my sleepy cod eating my siver perch

cam ;)

[Matthias]

I've seen four setups that were interesting but seemed to work.

1st was at nerang where a big toga, a big jack, some peacock bass and other natives were together. The jack and toga were ok but had 1 fight where the jack almost ripped the togas lip off.

2nd was at GC fishing tackle where a big jack and sooty seem to live in harmony.

3rd was at Q super center where a big toga killed a big jack and now there is another big jack in there which is fresh from the wild so may be a little tougher.

4th was at underwater world in the upper billabong where heaps of 1m+ barra live with a massive jack (estimated 90cm+), some big old sotties, a freshwater saw fish and some huge eels & catties.

Pete.

[bdowdy]

had 2 sleepy cod with my barra of which they were all about 12 cm long, well the barra ate both sleepy cod in 2 days and had plenty of hidy hole the barra is really aggresive and is nothing for it 2 eat 6 feeder fish in seconds. looks like a tank upgrade is due. cheers bdowdy

[Barraless]

How big do Saratoga get???

[Matthias]

There are two different species of Arowana in Aus.

S. Jardinii biggest recorded at 17.2kg.

Other is S. Leichardti grows to 4kg.

The strange thing is that a 90cm jardinii is over 15kg but a 90cm leichardti is only 4kg.

Pete

[Motorman]

Hi Matthias
the set up your talking with the Jack, Toga and Peackcock Bass Thats mine lol
They werent fighting when the Toga got bitten
I was feeding them and they both went for the same piece of prawn
With these fish going together alot depends on tank size
Mine are together in a 10ft tank and are kept pretty well fed

Brad

[Matthias]

lol. Yeah mate very impressive setup. I would love one of those peackcock bass, they were unreal. My jack (wild caught) is going ok but is still very shy and goes crazy when people move too fast near the tank. The other day he jumped out of the tank (knocked the lid off) and landed in a bucket. Luckily I was home and popped him back in.

Pete.

[Motorman]

Yeah I found my jack was skittish at the start but he is fine these days
I would invest in heavy lids if I was you mate lol

Brad

[One Day]

Just be aware they grow dam quick. I have a pet jack in a 6ft tank and 2 years on it's getting a bit tight in there. Would be about the 35-40cm mark. I also had a couple of other fish but the jack is very territorial (they didn't last) even whacks the glass when it gets agro. Great fish but make sure you've got a big tank if you want to get one. I got mine at a place called Mappins in Brisbane. It specialises in native australian fish. If that's what you're into you should check them out.