NO WAY!!!
NO WAY!!!
YES WAY!!!
Cant beat the original Mackmauler Slugs - often imitated never matched
Those that know ---- know
Well, what would I know? If you guys want to lose fish then that's your problem.
They (macmaulers)are the same as a raider/tailorbait or any other attached hook configuration and if you think that they somehow perform differently then you need to think seriously about your own assessment of what is expected from the lure you use.
Just because the Sliders outfish every other slug 10 to 1 around here doesn't make them any good of course.
What the relationship to bait is I've got no idea Billo?
Not being rude - just trying to help.
Originally Posted by Slider
Well, what would I know? If you guys want to lose fish then that's your problem.
They (macmaulers)are the same as a raider/tailorbait or any other attached hook configuration and if you think that they somehow perform differently then you need to think seriously about your own assessment of what is expected from the lure you use.
Just because the Sliders outfish every other slug 10 to 1 around here doesn't make them any good of course.
What the relationship to bait is I've got no idea Billo?
Not being rude - just trying to help.
Slider - We're not saying that your slugs aren't good. To be honest, I've never used them, so I can't comment. All that's been said is that the Macmauler slugs have caught ALOT of good fish over many years, and have consistently pulled fish when other slugs didn't. Doesn't matter if they are the best out there or not, they have worked, still work, and will keep working in the future. Whether your slugs are better is irrelevant. Something that is tried & tested throughout the years will always stand teh test of time.
The fact that you wrote that they were f%&@#g terrible didn't really help your sales of sliders though.
Billo was making a joke about tailor being bait for big fish.
Not trying to be rude either mate, but pulling up a 2 year old post to write of something that works well, just got people's backs up.
Dan
Dan,
I didn't pull the post up - it was presented in another post. I didn't say they were terrible either. But I do suggest that there are better ways. I could have gone about it in a better fashion I do agree and no doubt some alcohol content contributed there. And I must admit that the slugs at the price are far better than paying for a raider that performs no differently. Unfortunately, all of the slugs that are made in that manner have distinct performance limitations and the coral trout that I get on Sliders are probably not bait material Billo.
Sliders are no different from any other slug in attaining strikes, but I can guarantee that the number of dropped fish is significantly less than any other slug.
Sorry to cause offence guys.
Lindsay
Being someone that has given most types of slugs a go and gave your slider slugs a good on more then one occasion, I gotta say I'll stick with Rob's or Phill's slugs as at least they take more strikes. If you know how to fish your gear properly by using the right rod, line class and leader length.....dropping fish should not be a problem. If I was fishing slugs for dollies or billfish I might think sliders could come closer to the competion
Cheers, Jay
"MyWifeGaveMeCrabs" I found this funny at 3 in the morning.
I think I'd be asking a few questions if my wife gave me crabs.
TOL
Not if they were nice big full muddies
Not sure about this ' lost fish ' ratio you speak of .
I rarely lose fish I hook up on with any sort of slug …wether it be sea rocks , raiders or MackMauler slugs.
If correct hooks are used for line class ( yes there is such thing as an appropriate hook for each line class ) and you only use good quality sharp hooks, then you should not drop many at all . I would probably drop 1 in 50 hook ups on average…..but maybe that is because I use 4lb chasing 10kg + tuna .
A lure Is only as good as the technique applied, If you are having issues with hook up ratios on that style slug, maybe it is your technique that is failing and not the lure itself.
BANG ON BILLO!
by the way, theirs only one way to catch tailor
on a ganged pilly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I appreciate what you are saying guys re technique and certainly droppage rates depend greatly on the species. However after using a wide variety of attached hook slugs for many, many years prior to making our first slider, I have been able to compare very well the different performance levels of the two types of lures on dif species. If I had been content with the other lures I would never have made the slider. And it's not only my experiences that played a role here. I do still on occasions use other lures for some species in some situations as the sliders haven't fitted the bill. But I find that for the majority of the time that there are no problems in attaing strikes with an appropriately sized slider used in an appropriate fashion. And there is no way myself and a heap of other people I know would use anything other than a slider for tailor. No technique issues here, is a simple case of them being able to throw attached hook lures and particularly the heavier ones.
The bit that struck me with the mackmaulers was the amount of effort in putting the wires in when it seems unnecessary. Wouldn't it be easier to leave it as a slider in it's original format and dress it up as shown? Would this lure not perform identically to the wired version and have added benefits of strength due to no wire? Would this version not then give you the added benefit also of then sliding as well for those species such as tailor, salmon, mahi mahi, bill fish and queenfish that do leap and headshake? Just seems like a lot of trouble for no added benefit.
I have always encouraged people to make their own sliders if they have the means and some may recall that I have a post in this section of how to do so.
Lindsay
Lindsay, very interesting reading all of the above.
So since I make the slugs, I should have a say ???
I like the idea of the ' slider '. Makes sense for certain species, IMO.
The original mackmauler slugs were just that, designed for mackerel and in particular, Spottie Mackerel. People were tired of gettin bitten of by these toothy critters and losing 6-8$ lures/ slugs.
It was figured out that, when a " raider' ....' toby'.... etc hit the water in a school of feeding spotties, that type of lure, ' fluttered ' or ' skipped ' on the surface before sinking and being retrieved, hence getting bitten off on the ' flutter ". The mackmauler does not flutter, it hits the water at speed and bullet like. It is encouraged to return the bail arm of your eggbeater / spinner once you see the slug hit the water, and crank fast, really fast, imediately. This only allows the Spotties to attack the slug from behind. This was really evident in the following two scenerios.
I took Webby and Craigie to Hervey Bay a couple of years ago to enlighten them to the wonders of the bay and to get amongst some of the best Spottie fishing around. Craigies first 5 casts realised 5 bite off's, as he was using Raider type lures, I gave him the mackmauler to try. He never lost that slug and not only bagged out but, but had some C & R fun. At that stage his lure loss cost was $30 plus and the ' original ' mackmauler cost was under $1.
Now, the following year, myself and mate form the bay, did some serious slug testing with the improved variety, over the summer Xmas hols. 200 plus Spotties and only 4 lost slugs.
I should be selling these to the pros up there that are still using Toby's and regulary lose up to 15 per day gettin there 150 Quota !!!
These slugs are NEVER attached by wire ( trace ).
The mould I use to make the slugs will not accomadate a" slider " type effect. There is NO " effort " putting the wires in, as they just get placed in the mould, then lead is poured. I must make mention of the ' serious ' fish these slugs have taken. 20kg plus Amberjack jigged off wrecks up Central Queensland way. The species list that these have worked on has gone nutters.
BUT< I hear you, Lindsay, regarding the jumping species of fish. I will admit to having a slug or two " disconnect " from a fish inside the boat and on one such occasion, said disconnected slug ended up attached to a forehead of a certain lycra wearing, slug making, moderating Ausfisher
I regulary use the slugs off the rocks at Waddy Point, Fraser, much to the dismay of the bait fishos there. They get Dart after Dart, and silly me, nails only Tailor. I do however, make the slugs in 10, 20, 30 , 40 65 and 85 gm models. The 10 and 20 gm ones are great for Bonito and Dart, as you'll have to use light mono and gear.
Cheers Phill
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Ive done an awful lot of fishing using metal and lead type slugs and lures for mostly macks, and i agree that phill's work as good as any. In saying that phill my catch to loss ratio isnt anywhere near as good as your 200-4but i'll work on it and try and improve mate!
These sliders may have there place chasing tailor (something ive never done) but i fail to see any adventage in that system or form of lure on school and spotted macks? Is there something im missing lindsay? because sliders for this style of fishing would seem to me to promote more bight off's from other unhooked fish in the school? ...foxy
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