when good deeds turn bad

[cooky]

Who made the choice to not wear a seatbelt ? ? ?

So I ask a simple question
Who's fault is it that a fine was issued -

The poor bloody copper who gets blamed every time they issue a fine.

Interesting that in Australia we all seem to be brainwashed into following RULES everyday of our lives. There does need to be some discretion in my opinion. RULES, RULES, RULES - got to love it. I understand they are there to protect us from the idiots, but really there needs to be some common sense. What about getting fined for speeding while overtaking a vehicle - got to love that rule. Car doing 95km/h - you try to overtake while not exceeding 100km/h - is that more unsafe than overtaking at 130km/h and being on wrong side of road for less time. I've often driven out west for hours at 130km/h in modern vehicles and feel very safe when not seeing another car or wildlife for hours - i don't see this as irresponsible - many people would - simply because I'm BREAKING the RULES.

[bootyinblue]

Caloundra,

Mate I can understand why you are a bit filthy on us for doing our job, but dragging other peoples stupidity into it (160kmh in 100kmh zone) is not the answer.

As pointed out under TORUMS RRUL Regs 1999 you have to meet all the elements of the section or you are breaking the law.

Someone else 'advised' you again incorrectly on here that aslong as you write a letter you dont have to pay the fine till its resolved. Incorrect and to quote from my spiel 'Instructions on how to deal with this ticket are located in the middle, you must take some action on this ticket within 28 days. If you wish to have the matter heard at court then complete the topr right hand section and forward it on to Queensland Transport.....blah blah blah....

Unfortunately, writing a letter to the Superintendant of Traffic is not an option listed. You debt will go to SPER and then be hit with an administration fee on top of the fine and then given a voluntary payment plan option with them if you chose. If you still ignore it, your llicence will be cancelled, but that is another big kettle of fish......

[TonyOW31]

[quote author=caloundra link=1167476012/15#28 date=1167991911]the cops passed me then did a Uturn and pulled me over

as for cops being able to use discression a friend of mine was pulled over in his new ss doing 160 in a 100 zone the cop said he should have lost his licence but insted he only lost 3 points and $225 (the same as me)

is this fair

Daniel

definitely not fair..your mate is a complete moron driving like that...should have ripped his license up and towed his car away.
[/quote]

why is he a complete moron? and why should he have his license ripped up and his car towed away?
do you know the circumstances? could it have been on a deserted motorway at 3am? 160 kmh in a modern performance car is very safe, far safer than an old car with crap suspension, brakes and skinny tyres doing 80kmh in heavy traffic, even tho he is well within the arbitary speed limit set by the powers that be.
I know my last sports car was safer at 200 than my patrol is at 100.
dont get caught up in the every k over is a killer crap that is trotted out by the revenue raisers, it has been proved over and over that it is bull.

[Blackened]

G'day
tony......... I understand each progression in technology makes cars safer, and every new sports model is better than the last.

Point it, the speed LIMIT was 100km/hr. This guy was doing 160km/hr... that's 60km/hr over and above the limit, wich should have been far worse concequences.

It's not about what a vehicle is capable of and at what speeds and for how long.... The fact is the rues were broken, and broken badly.

Dave

[PinHead]

[quote author=PinHead link=1167476012/15#29 date=1168056884][quote author=caloundra link=1167476012/15#28 date=1167991911]the cops passed me then did a Uturn and pulled me over

as for cops being able to use discression a friend of mine was pulled over in his new ss doing 160 in a 100 zone the cop said he should have lost his licence but insted he only lost 3 points and $225 (the same as me)

is this fair

Daniel

definitely not fair..your mate is a complete moron driving like that...should have ripped his license up and towed his car away.
[/quote]

why is he a complete moron? and why should he have his license ripped up and his car towed away?
do you know the circumstances? could it have been on a deserted motorway at 3am? 160 kmh in a modern performance car is very safe, far safer than an old car with crap suspension, brakes and skinny tyres doing 80kmh in heavy traffic, even tho he is well within the arbitary speed limit set by the powers that be.
I know my last sports car was safer at 200 than my patrol is at 100.
dont get caught up in the every k over is a killer crap that is trotted out by the revenue raisers, it has been proved over and over that it is bull.
[/quote]


I used to race a rally car..believe me..when things come unstuck at 160k they come unstuck in a big way..like a multi rollover..fortunately I had roll cage, decent seats, harnesses and helmet....out on the highway..no way would I do it...and so the guy doing 160 is certain that a roo is not going to jump out if front of him...or a car pull out from somewhere..I will stand by what I said...anyone doing 160k on a public road is a moron and shoul;d be removed from the roads.

as for a any car safer at 200k than at 100k..simple laws of physics says that is crap....maybe you should visit a mortuary and see some of the sights from car crashes...not very pretty to see.

[bootyinblue]

[quote author=PinHead link=1167476012/15#29 date=1168056884][quote author=caloundra link=1167476012/15#28 date=1167991911]the cops passed me then did a Uturn and pulled me over

as for cops being able to use discression a friend of mine was pulled over in his new ss doing 160 in a 100 zone the cop said he should have lost his licence but insted he only lost 3 points and $225 (the same as me)

is this fair

Daniel

definitely not fair..your mate is a complete moron driving like that...should have ripped his license up and towed his car away.
[/quote]

why is he a complete moron? and why should he have his license ripped up and his car towed away?
do you know the circumstances? could it have been on a deserted motorway at 3am? 160 kmh in a modern performance car is very safe, far safer than an old car with crap suspension, brakes and skinny tyres doing 80kmh in heavy traffic, even tho he is well within the arbitary speed limit set by the powers that be.
I know my last sports car was safer at 200 than my patrol is at 100.
dont get caught up in the every k over is a killer crap that is trotted out by the revenue raisers, it has been proved over and over that it is bull.
[/quote]

Ohh... Tony,

Please do not be so misguided about speed not being a killer!

Try this simple experiment. Roll an egg along a floor at the skirting board at a slow pace, nothing happens. Now roll it at the skirting board as fast as possible, splatters everywhere!!

If you are still not convinced that speed is a factor when it comes to damage caused by changes in direction (roll overs) or sudden stops (other cars, power poles) then come and spend a day on the road with me at work. You will see 150m of skid marks followed by a car ripped in pieces from hitting something immovable, and yes sometimes sadly a person who now has an appearance similar to the egg.

What if that was one of your loved ones, that I now have to come and knock on your door at 3am and say I am sorry, there has been an accident and ..................

[cooky]

of course speed is a killer - common sense, but there certainly are many OTHER factors and I think speed is often a poor excuse and overused. Maybe it's the easiest one to police (not having a stab at the police at all). I agree with the difference between an EH Holden with semi bald tyres and worn brake pads travelling at 80km/h and say a Suburu WRX with expensive tyres, etc - I'm amazed how quickly some new cars can STOP and avoid an accident. I have a 4x4 with excellent tyres and good brakes and I've avoided a few accidents from defence driving. I personally get pissed off at getting the same fine and points from driving 120/130km/h on the roads near Mt Isa (sstraight, no cars, no trees, nothing, high visibility - as some turkey doing on a busy highway near a major town with cars overtaking, poor light, corners, etc etc.

Rules are rules though

[TonyOW31]

[quote author=TonyOW31 link=1167476012/30#32 date=1168342097][quote author=PinHead link=1167476012/15#29 date=1168056884][quote author=caloundra link=1167476012/15#28 date=1167991911]the cops passed me then did a Uturn and pulled me over

as for cops being able to use discression a friend of mine was pulled over in his new ss doing 160 in a 100 zone the cop said he should have lost his licence but insted he only lost 3 points and $225 (the same as me)

is this fair

Daniel

definitely not fair..your mate is a complete moron driving like that...should have ripped his license up and towed his car away.
[/quote]

why is he a complete moron? and why should he have his license ripped up and his car towed away?
do you know the circumstances? could it have been on a deserted motorway at 3am? 160 kmh in a modern performance car is very safe, far safer than an old car with crap suspension, brakes and skinny tyres doing 80kmh in heavy traffic, even tho he is well within the arbitary speed limit set by the powers that be.
I know my last sports car was safer at 200 than my patrol is at 100.
dont get caught up in the every k over is a killer crap that is trotted out by the revenue raisers, it has been proved over and over that it is bull.
[/quote]

Ohh... Tony,

Please do not be so misguided about speed not being a killer!

Try this simple experiment. Roll an egg along a floor at the skirting board at a slow pace, nothing happens. Now roll it at the skirting board as fast as possible, splatters everywhere!!

If you are still not convinced that speed is a factor when it comes to damage caused by changes in direction (roll overs) or sudden stops (other cars, power poles) then come and spend a day on the road with me at work. You will see 150m of skid marks followed by a car ripped in pieces from hitting something immovable, and yes sometimes sadly a person who now has an appearance similar to the egg.

What if that was one of your loved ones, that I now have to come and knock on your door at 3am and say I am sorry, there has been an accident and ..................[/quote]

I am an engineer, I used to specialise in motor vehicles and did a lot of consulting for police forces in Europe with regard to MVA's. I used to help determine whether mechanical failure was a factor in accidents, and visited many hundreds of accident scenes, so I am talking from experience here. The usual MO was if a cause could not be determined for the accident, it was attributed to excess speed, therefore skewing the statistics to back up the speed kills brainwashing.
I also did not say that the consequences of the accident would not be worse, what I do say is that speed is not the root cause of most accidents on our roads.
As a cop, I am sure you will back me up on this, aren't the vast majority of MVA's low speed accidents?, are you also going to ban people from driving slowly to reduce the accident rate? Basically the cause of the majority of accidents is inattentiveness, lack of driving skills and ignorance of the road rules. Recent studies in the UK and America have caused the police to review their policies regarding speeding and put more emphasis on education and awareness, and in some American states raising the speed limit has actually reduced the road toll.
I do a lot of ks , roughly 150,000+ and can point out various places where speed limits are set with the sole intention of catching people speeding.
If road safety was a major concern there would be far more simple and inexpensive measures in place to improve road conditions.
For example, there was a new road built recently in my area, and there is one access point along that road other than the ends, and if you looked at the road and said ‘where is the worst possible place to put a junction?’ that would be it. There have been numerous accidents there which could have been avoided with a bit of decent input from the traffic division, but I suppose they are too busy manning laser guns to worry about stuff like that eh?
How about white lines and junction markings in the wet having the grip of an ice rink? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle in the wet over these things? fixing things like this are simple, effective and inexpensive safety measures, but bring no revenue so are ignored.
I think it would be far better to treat the cause rather than the effect, as is currently the case, but that would not be economically viable eh?

[bay_firey]

you are kidding aren't you ? ? ?

[PinHead]

I am an engineer, I used to specialise in motor vehicles and did a lot of consulting for police forces in Europe with regard to MVA's. I used to help determine whether mechanical failure was a factor in accidents, and visited many hundreds of accident scenes, so I am talking from experience here. The usual MO was if a cause could not be determined for the accident, it was attributed to excess speed, therefore skewing the statistics to back up the speed kills brainwashing.
I also did not say that the consequences of the accident would not be worse, what I do say is that speed is not the root cause of most accidents on our roads.
As a cop, I am sure you will back me up on this, aren't the vast majority of MVA's low speed accidents?, are you also going to ban people from driving slowly to reduce the accident rate? Basically the cause of the majority of accidents is inattentiveness, lack of driving skills and ignorance of the road rules. Recent studies in the UK and America have caused the police to review their policies regarding speeding and put more emphasis on education and awareness, and in some American states raising the speed limit has actually reduced the road toll.
I do a lot of ks , roughly 150,000+ and can point out various places where speed limits are set with the sole intention of catching people speeding.
If road safety was a major concern there would be far more simple and inexpensive measures in place to improve road conditions.
For example, there was a new road built recently in my area, and there is one access point along that road other than the ends, and if you looked at the road and said ‘where is the worst possible place to put a junction?’ that would be it. probably designed by an engineeredThere have been numerous accidents there which could have been avoided with a bit of decent input from the traffic division, but I suppose they are too busy manning laser guns to worry about stuff like that eh?
How about white lines and junction markings in the wet having the grip of an ice rink? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle in the wet over these things? sure have..tram tracks were even more fun fixing things like this are simple, effective and inexpensive safety measures, but bring no revenue so are ignored.
I think it would be far better to treat the cause rather than the effect, as is currently the case, but that would not be economically viable eh?

I will go back to part of your earlier statement: "160 kmh in a modern performance car is very safe". Please tell me why then that the guys that pilot the fastest cars wear complete safety gear yet they have no white lines to contend with and no other traffic. They are very experienced and yet accidents still happen. As I said earlier...it only takes something small to break or malfunction at that speed and very few drivers, regardless of experience can control the situation. We all agree that there is a lot that can be done in the way of road construction and driver education...but that is still no excuse for someone to drive at those speeds. Once again in Qld there was over 300 people killed on the roads in 2006...that is 300+ families lives shattered...plus the even greater number of people injured...and every single one of those accidents is avoidable...it is a complete waste of life in my opinion and something which saddens me.

[FNQCairns]

People wonder where/how/why todays general level of social disrespect and 'I am alright jack' attitude started, good to see the copper who booked you is keeping at least his end up and making for a continuation of the same well into the future >.

cheers fnq

[TonyOW31]

[quote author=TonyOW31 link=1167476012/30#37 date=1168434663]

I am an engineer, I used to specialise in motor vehicles and did a lot of consulting for police forces in Europe with regard to MVA's. I used to help determine whether mechanical failure was a factor in accidents, and visited many hundreds of accident scenes, so I am talking from experience here. The usual MO was if a cause could not be determined for the accident, it was attributed to excess speed, therefore skewing the statistics to back up the speed kills brainwashing.
I also did not say that the consequences of the accident would not be worse, what I do say is that speed is not the root cause of most accidents on our roads.
As a cop, I am sure you will back me up on this, aren't the vast majority of MVA's low speed accidents?, are you also going to ban people from driving slowly to reduce the accident rate? Basically the cause of the majority of accidents is inattentiveness, lack of driving skills and ignorance of the road rules. Recent studies in the UK and America have caused the police to review their policies regarding speeding and put more emphasis on education and awareness, and in some American states raising the speed limit has actually reduced the road toll.
I do a lot of ks , roughly 150,000+ and can point out various places where speed limits are set with the sole intention of catching people speeding.
If road safety was a major concern there would be far more simple and inexpensive measures in place to improve road conditions.
For example, there was a new road built recently in my area, and there is one access point along that road other than the ends, and if you looked at the road and said ‘where is the worst possible place to put a junction?’ that would be it. probably designed by an engineeredThere have been numerous accidents there which could have been avoided with a bit of decent input from the traffic division, but I suppose they are too busy manning laser guns to worry about stuff like that eh?
How about white lines and junction markings in the wet having the grip of an ice rink? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle in the wet over these things? sure have..tram tracks were even more fun fixing things like this are simple, effective and inexpensive safety measures, but bring no revenue so are ignored.
I think it would be far better to treat the cause rather than the effect, as is currently the case, but that would not be economically viable eh?

I will go back to part of your earlier statement: "160 kmh in a modern performance car is very safe". Please tell me why then that the guys that pilot the fastest cars wear complete safety gear yet they have no white lines to contend with and no other traffic. They are very experienced and yet accidents still happen. As I said earlier...it only takes something small to break or malfunction at that speed and very few drivers, regardless of experience can control the situation. We all agree that there is a lot that can be done in the way of road construction and driver education...but that is still no excuse for someone to drive at those speeds. Once again in Qld there was over 300 people killed on the roads in 2006...that is 300+ families lives shattered...plus the even greater number of people injured...and every single one of those accidents is avoidable...it is a complete waste of life in my opinion and something which saddens me.
[/quote]

But how many of those 300 deaths were caused by speeding?, in the last 10 years I have been involved in 4 accidents, in three of which I was stationary and was hit at less than 20kmh. The last one I was at a set of red traffic lights and was hit from the rear, resulting in a broken back and two back operations, none of them were anything to do with excess speed. If the same amount of effort was spent in other areas as is spent on catching speeders the road toll would go down.
I heard a pollie going on about the Ipswich motorway last year saying we have reduced the speed limit from 100 to 90 and it didnt make any difference to the accident statistics, so we will have to drop it further, they have no idea whatsoever, what is it they say the definition of madness is? keep trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Every year cars get safer, every year more revenue is gained from speeding by increasing detection streams, every year the accident statistics stay the same or get worse. What does this tell you? targeting speeding does not do anything, thats what it says. Driver education is the key, look at germany's accident stats with their open speed limits on autobarns, and compare them with ours, look at the lengths you have to go through in Germany to get a licence, compare it with ours, and you may then get some perspective other than what you are told to believe.

[jimbamb]

Noosa north shore beach IS classified as a public Road and all rules apply.

[jimbamb]

Check out the under 25kph thing i thought it was 10 kph,