when good deeds turn bad

[caloundra]

also my 4b is an old 4runner with no air bags

[bay_firey]

Marshy

You can't read part of a section of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road
Rules) Regulation 1999 in isolation.

The section below is where you got your info from and is all clause 1 of section 267
You need to be engaged in the activities listed AND doing less than 25km/hr whilst engaging in those activities to be exempt under this section of the law


267 Exemptions from wearing seatbelts
(1) A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a
seatbelt if—
(a) the person is—
(i) engaged in the door-to-door delivery or collection
of goods, or in the collection of waste or garbage;
and
(ii) required to get in or out of the vehicle, or on or off
the vehicle, at frequent intervals; and
(b) the vehicle is not travelling over 25km/h.


Otherwise section 264 applies

264 Wearing of seatbelts by drivers
(1) The driver of a motor vehicle that is moving, or is stationary
but not parked, must comply with this section if the driver’s
seating position is fitted with a seatbelt.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
(2) The driver must wear the seatbelt properly adjusted and
fastened unless the driver is—
(a) reversing the vehicle; or
(b) exempt from wearing a seatbelt under section 267.

[bay_firey]

Now to who is to blame for the fine ? ? ?

Who made the choice to not wear a seatbelt ? ? ?

So I ask a simple question
Who's fault is it that a fine was issued -

The poor bloody copper who gets blamed every time they issue a fine.

OR

The driver who CHOSE to break the law in the first place.


why is it that people are always willing to blame somebody else for their own descions, it is time that people started to accept the consequences for their OWN actions.

I do hope that this does not come accross as personal attack because it is not, just my feelings on this topic

[marshy]

Caloundra.I have re- read seat belt section of the road rules & it looks like I gave you a bum steer on the exemptions. Look I am really sorry about that. Bay-firey has it right.
I first heard about this exemption a few years ago from a customer of mine but perhaps they were involved in delivery or collection at the time they were fined ? My apologies again.

Marshy

[choppa]

hence the reason why i stated that he may,,,,redeem points,,,, if the judge has a fair hearing

but then again,,,the front page of the SCD was once more filled with road rules and carnage today,,,stating that a blitz is occuring

i feel for the occurence of the fine ""under"" the circumstances of it,,,,

but at the end of the day,,,,just were do you draw the line,,,after all rules are rules

choppa

[keen_angler]

Caloundra,
Make sure you fight this, I received a fine about a year back for not wearing a seatbelt while I was in a shopping centre doing way under 25km/h when the guys in blue pulled me up.

I to heard about not having to wear a seatbelt if doing under 25km/h (that is what I was told anyway), so I sent a letter to, 2 weeks later received a reply that the fine has been cancelled with an apology for the misunderstanding.

If worst comes to worst since you have written to them you don't have to pay the fine until you have this resolved, but make sure that you state to them that once you have this completely resolved or go to court (court would be the last step) you will not be paying the fine and you want something in writting from them that they accept this, I did this for another fine which took 6 months to resolve.

keen_angler

[caloundra]

hopefuly I'll let you guys now the verdict in a few weeks
sorry to open a can of worms

Daniel

[themisses]

I am puzzled as to why others feel the person being helped should pay the fine?? Surely they had their seat belt on or they would also have been fined?? We make and have to live by our choices. As Booty stated they do not have the choice to let you off the hook for not wearing a seat belt. For good reason, they are the poor buggers that have to clean up the carnage when things do go wrong. They see and do things that no human should have to do.
Not a personal attack, just another point of view.
Cheers Kim.

[Herm]

I am puzzled as to why others feel the person being helped should pay the fine?? Surely they had their seat belt on or they would also have been fined?? We make and have to live by our choices.

Hi there Kim

In answer to your question - If I had been the person that Caloundra was helping - I would be paying that fine!

If he had not stopped to help, he would not have been fined in the first place. If Caloundra hadn't offered to help, how long would the Jeep had sat there? How much is it worth to have been on the receiving end of someone else's time, kindness and assistance?

It is sad - but I now know why so many are hesitant to help out others! [smiley=sad.gif]

Janine

[Tangles]

Kim,

Another point of view, I think that if I was in that situation of being helped and whoever helped me got pinged, i would feel obliged to pay the fine, afterall they where helping me, they didnt need to. Its a sad world i reckon if people would in this circumstance feel tough its your problem but ill take your help anyway but you can cop the fine ( you should have known).

I can see Bootyinblues point of hands being tied, even though still I remember the force of "old" perhaps having more discretion, perhaps they dont have that now, but that also says that the force today dont have much room for discretion which is reflection on society. Still think in the circumstances a quiet word was perhaps more in order but thats my opinion. Only thing i ask is the guy being snatched, did he have his seatbelt on as well? I hope so.

I still reckon what really sucks in all this is Caloundra helped someone out, didnt have too, and got a hefty fine for his troubles for something i suspect most dont do, put a seatbelt on whilst snatching. The person being helped didn't do the right thing..period.

Perhaps why a can of words is opened here is that someone got done doing the right thing, I dont think this thread would raise a sweat otherwise. It illustrates that we dont really know the law/our rights etc, it sort of encourages everyone to leave people stuck as its too much trouble etc and i would hate to see that happen. , I always thought there was a certain sense of helping others, but some of these posts leave me a bit flat to be honest, sort of justifying why we dont have too as its their problem.

If i was bogged to the rails and someones good enough to help me, id be grateful, and looking to do the right thing, as what goes around comes around
cheers
mike

[Herm]

Igusto!

Exactly what I was trying to say! Just said better!!!

Janine

[themisses]

Hi guys,
If I had been fined in the same/similar situation and the offer to pay the fine was there, I would kindly refuse. It would have been my mistake and I should take the consequences. The fact that the police can not use there discretion is as you say Igusto is a sad reflection on society. Shoe on the other foot, being helped, I'm not sure what I would do. Even if there was no incident I would at least give them a carton or bottle of their choice, for their time and help. It does bite that Caloundra was fined whist helping someone out. Hopefully it doesn't stop him or the rest of us helping someone next time.

Janine, I know what you mean about stopping to help if you are alone or have little ones with you. Sometimes you just don't feel safe to do so. I lock the doors and crack the window and offer the mobile if I am alone.
I remember a few years ago in Lismore a guy stopped to help a car on the side of the road with it's bonnet up. Only to have the snot beat out of him, left on the side of the road, wallet and car stolen.

Cheers Kim.

[robothefisho]

I think its been said here to many times that people don't wear your seatbelt while snatching, it makes me wonder have you ever used a snatch strap? Sure you use them at low speeds in low range. But have you ever recovered a vehicle that stops you dead while trying to snatch even tho you may being doing less then 10 or 15 kmh you will still fly forward. I just think it needs to be said, i think snatching a car out is one of the most important times to wear a seatbelt as you know your car will slow down rapidly. And as for the cops being required to hand over a fine,pull your finger out and suggest a possible did you just take it off when i pulled you over sir. Oh yes officer, riteo oh then carry on. Cheers all.

[caloundra]

the cops passed me then did a Uturn and pulled me over

as for cops being able to use discression a friend of mine was pulled over in his new ss doing 160 in a 100 zone the cop said he should have lost his licence but insted he only lost 3 points and $225 (the same as me)

is this fair

Daniel

[PinHead]

the cops passed me then did a Uturn and pulled me over

as for cops being able to use discression a friend of mine was pulled over in his new ss doing 160 in a 100 zone the cop said he should have lost his licence but insted he only lost 3 points and $225 (the same as me)

is this fair

Daniel

definitely not fair..your mate is a complete moron driving like that...should have ripped his license up and towed his car away.