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Yes Joe have the handle on that , which is why I said controlled enviroment .
I am still of the firm belief that this is the better option .
Until I am realised otherwise , but I am all ears for a better solution .
Cheers Reel
Reel, I don't have the answers either but the hoards just might have to accuse themselves one day but do you think that will really happen.
As Jaybee mentioned 5kg of raw protein to produce 1 kg of farmed product, now that's not sustainable either and guess where and who catches the wild feed.
In comparison with some other so called "environmetal" friendly activities like Ethanol (corn) production in the USA, these corn farmers who push the green barrow actually have to use natural fuel (diesel) to farm with, otherwise the cost (if actually using ethanol, which they are supporting ) would not be viable.
One problem with some of the overseas disasters and escaped mutant ninga product, which in some places have totally wiped out the wild fish is we appear to be letting these same companies get a foot hold here now and all in the name of sustainability and environemtal friendly practices etc etc
Hi mavrick1
Snappyone and I where Fishing Green Island here not so long ago and the trawler came within the 30mtr range of us fishing
I rang the fisheries to inform them of this caper but just recieved a dum response and the same thing with the trawler Asoc they don't care till some gets hurt
In reality there is no boundaries for trawlers in moreton bay. It is closed to all commercial fishermen between 6.30 pm friday and 6.30 am monday morning, unless the times have changed. In reality steve if you were anchored on coral there is no way you would have been hit. Coral has two effects on nets, 1. it rips them to shreds, (thousands off dollars damage) and 2. if they are hooked up there is a very big chance they will sink. Also most trawlers not all are on auto pilot while shooting the nets, whether there is a watch in the wheelhouse at all times can sometimes be debated. Also at times you will see trawlers with their wires out, look to see if the otter boards are still up, if so, they are dragging the nets to clean them, usually of jelly fish.
cheers.
Dosent matter what they were doing.
The FACT is that they did come that close to us .
I couldnt stop laughing at Steve going off at them as they approached us .
Dont know what they were up too but they were going around and around for a while real early in the morning.
Adrian if they were going around in circles good bet is they were trying to clean the nets, either that or they were hooked up, when i use to fish off the tweed i have thrown 8oz droppers through their windows, not being nasty, but it woke someone up the fact they were about to hit reef with the nets. Hey these guys are only trying to make a living, if they cant afford deckies, then who is in the wheelhouse taking watch, got to sleep sometime, we can sit and pick the S@$% out of these guys, but its their living, and there arent too many of them left. know what i mean
cheers
joe
Joe,
if they cannot afford the operation including safe staffing levels, then it is time to stop. Nobody should be allowed to put the general public at risk simpy to make a buck - and we all know the damage that is done to non-target species.
I cannot knock individuals who operate within the law (I'll throw rocks at Government for not changing law instead) but those that don't are only giving the rest of the industry a bad name.
Vern
Vern when i use to work at the markets back in the early 70s it was happening then but due to greed, back then a bay boat would weigh in a few tonne of bay prawns every morning, today it is happening because the skipper/owner cant afford the crew, the bay has been raped, and that is why there are less trawlers working for a few kilos each night, but on the other hand the outside boats are doing the same, from what my bro has told me, for a trawler down bruns to bring in a 2 gal bucket of kings is doing well, it pays for the fuel and the skippers wage, but no deckie ??? these guys outside or in the bay cant keep working like that, as you say someone is going to get hurt eventually.If someone had listened back in the sixties that the bay would be like it is now, we wouldnt be discussing this.back then it was bought to the attention of the state and federal gov this was going to happen by world renoun and local scientists, i have it here in writing with photographs, i think i sent it to you actually, but hey its not yours or my fault, only the governments for not listening. and they will continue not to listen until one day there wont be any exports.
hey adrian i would have liked to have seen steves reaction as well, when a boat is close enought to smash a window with a dropper now thats wake up time, i could say a few things here but not on the net, but in all honesty, alcohol and drugs play a part here with some trawlers, but proving it is one thing unless you yourself or you know someone who has been there.
cheers
joe.
I agree vern, however with the damage that has been done, not by trawlers and pros alone, there is the degredation of the nurseries with the canal estates, i don't think i will see days like i did 30 yrs ago on the bay, not in my lifetime, it is going to take a long time to fix
cheers.
Hate to say ot Joe but I agree. Probably not in this millenium. It will take an ice age and a few big sea level changes to fix the mess we have made over the last hundred or so years.
Vern
About 30 years ago I lived for 5 years in Gippsland, Victoria, and used to go to Lakes Entrance fishing fairly often. All you could catch in those days were Bream in the 10 - 20cm range.
Two years ago I happened to be travelling through Lakes Entrance and decided to stay overnight. I walked down to the footbridge and stoped to talk to a guy that was fishing. Within 45 minutes he had caught his bag of squire, reasonable size, and was just throwing them back. I commented to him that you were lucky once if you could catch one decent fish let alone a bag limit. He said since the Victorian Government introduced licences and got tough on the netters and banned netting in a lot of the entrances fishing had improved drastically. You could acually see weed beds and bait fish where once it had been barren. Maybe there is a future if we all pitched in together and got off our behinds and did something. I am not proposing to just introduce licences for revenue sake, it has to be a balanced reform from all involved.
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