Reply With QuoteThere has been a lot of debate over this for years.
My personal opinion, is that they are squire unless you gotta gaff em8)
Found this on Brownies Coastwatch Fishing Reports. Good to see the patrols out and about.
There’s been a few small snapper caught early morning on the SE side of Coochiemudlo Island and off Potts Point at Macleay Island. Be aware that what have been called squire in Queensland for years are really juvenile snapper and the new bag limit for snapper is 5 fish with a new minimum size of 35cms. A few people were booked by the Boating Patrol at Potts Point this week and claimed that the undersize snapper they had were squire. They are snapper and the rules apply.
There has been a lot of debate over this for years.
My personal opinion, is that they are squire unless you gotta gaff em
The answer to this depends on who's fish they are.Last winter I returned with four Reds bigest bit over 10 pounds,smalest went just over 8,my two mates in another boat commented on my nice bag of squire.The following week these two blokes caught about a half dozen Reds between 6 and 4 pounds,when I passed comment on thier fish they replied "Yep,nice feed of knobies here."
Id say never, a snapper is a snapper.
Gentlemen the report saysa few small snapper caughti guess what the report was saying is because they were under 35 cms they are squire 'WHAT THA' i have always classed any squire over 4lb a snapper but then i have also said i have caught some big squire..mmmmmmmmm...for many years now i have referred to small snapper as snapper, but then there is snappery squire, not to mention the new name in Bush n Beach which I cant remember but lucky phil or webby will mmmm oh by the way has anybody sorted out the debate the difference between a chopper and a tailor yet the tailor size limit still refers to the chopper..or am i wrong. waaaaaa i cant keep upA few people were booked by the Boating Patrol at Potts Point this week and claimed that the undersize snapper they had were squire
cheers
joe.
Jaybee, tailor are tailor.
I agree with Rob...(mackmauler)..juvenile snapper and snapper to me.
Cheers Brent
Hi All
This is a good fun topic. In my clouded view, a snapper is a snapper and a big or small squire is also a snapper.
While Grant's Guide to Fishes is not totally reliable as a definitive source of accurate scientific fish information, it goes a long way towards providing data good enough for we rec anglers. He lists (P410, 1982 edition) snapper as also being called cockney, red bream and squire.
Page 409 in the same edition has a photograph of a "large squire", and Grant says squire is the "juvenile" growth stage of snapper. Another section on the same page gets to the root of the Ausfish question.
It says there is a progression of common names with about up to 10-13cm fish being called cockneys; from about 450g to 1.4kg fish being called red bream; and from then after (1.4kg and above) they are called snapper. This is my interpretation of what is a fairly convoluted explanation by Grant, and I hope I've got it right (P410).
In answer to the question "At what size does a squire become a snapper?", Grant says it is reasonable say that it qualifies to be called snapper at about 1.4kg (three pounds).
He then moves on to other equally interesting related topics such as their hump, close relations and locations at which to catch them, which I'll avoid today.
Looking for a bottom line, I'll end where I started: they can all be called snapper, and it depends to a fair extent on the habits of "local" anglers when they are called one particular name or another.
In my view, anglers can and should expect to be fined if they have more than five squire/small snapper/big snapper in their possession.
Read the latest Queensland fishing regulations at www.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/.
Hope this adds a bit to the debate. I'll endeavour to get more discussion going on 4BC's Talking Fishing Show 11-16AM from 5am Saturday and Sunday. Best wishes for now. Ron Collins.
rob,Originally Posted by mackmauler
why should the snapper boys have all the fun.
From now on I'm calling the small Pomatomus saltatrix I catch "Choppery Tailor"
&
the big 'uns "Greenery Tailor"
waddayareckon will it catch on ?
chris
Keep it simple, there is only 1 fish, all the rest are bait
Realistically there is only one name for this species, wether their 10cm or 100cm and that is Snapper.
Marine scientists seem to call them 100 different names. Chrysophrys unicolour, guttulatus,auratus, major but officially its pagrus auratus.
As to who commenced all the name changes as they progress in size, is something that has been handed down by fisho through out the years.
As far as my thoughts regarding wether its squire or snapper, if their 65cm + their snapper, below that call them what you like.
But everyone has there own classifications. Just reads Rons extracts from Grants.
As for the Humps or Humpless, I did some research on bay snapper as to why there are two varities available.
But by the end of it, we could still not come to any final verdict as to why, even with help from Southern Fisheries we both sort of came to the conclusion that the Humpless ones are the bay resident population and the Humped ones are the migratory ones, but as i said nothing could be proven, even after Southern Fisheries had just completed a research on them in S-E-Qld.
Anyway thats my 2 bobs worth.
regards
Thanks for everyones reply, however i started the topic after i read what was on brownies coast watch, thinking, Were these people ignorant or arrogant. Ignorant in the fact they really didnt know, or arrogant thinking they would get away with it. Either way i guess it boils down to not enough information being passed on by the government. I know it costs $$$$ dollars, but if they can afford to advertise drink driving, drug use, exporting protected animals, protecting flora, then why cant the government pass on knowledge of our fragile fisheries, money spent now will be money saved in the future, not to mention the recreational and commercial fisheries.
cheers
Not enough info published by the Govt' ????
The problem rises on sizes/species not from lack of notification, but by sheer ignorance on behalf of some fisho's on the water these days.
Because.
Some wouldnt have a clue as to size limits because they,
dont bother to get rule books.
dont bother to read them.
dont carry measurers on board.
dont carry any species id's on board.
Whats the Govt' got to do, send everyone a personnel rule book.
regards
webby 20/04yes brian there is tv / radio and print media how else is the once a year fisherperson suppose to learn the rules and regulations, without this, your post sounds angry in defence of the government, no one can say in self defence thatThe problem rises on sizes/species not from lack of notification, but by sheer ignorance on behalf of some fisho's on the water these days.
Because.
Some wouldnt have a clue as to size limits because they,
dont bother to get rule books.
dont bother to read them.
dont carry measurers on board.
dont carry any species id's on board.
Whats the Govt' got to do, send everyone a personnel rule book.I personally do not beleive how you can justify what you have said. You have said don't, don't, don,t. What about people that don't go fishing every day of the week or weekend, what about families that only go fishing once a year. How do you educate these people brian, how can you justify what you just said??but by sheer ignorance on behalf of some fisho's
cheers
joe
On the subject of letting the people no regulations are in place there is a spray painting on the boat ramp at cleveland now that says "you are entering moreton bay marine park regulations apply" no excuses with info like that hey
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