giday all
just back from hols did`nt listen to news only weather that was only bad news i could handle. just wondering if anything happened on the dreaded closers, while on r&r. thanks lee
giday all
just back from hols did`nt listen to news only weather that was only bad news i could handle. just wondering if anything happened on the dreaded closers, while on r&r. thanks lee
Lee,
Check out the DPI web site at http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/14132.html
The RIS seems to have been rushed through and the fishing public ignored, as usual.
It seems that the government has forgotten the old saying "WE FISH and WE VOTE".
Cheers Stu.
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thanks stu
will look at website. lee
Sadly this seems to be another knee jerk reaction from the government.
No scientific data or research and yet they still close the area down.
Seems strange that you are not allowed to fish in the area, not even troll, but 100 + divers a day can go down there and chase the sharks out of the caves so they can have a look. If they are worried about the numbers and want them to breed why are divers allowed to be down there disturbing them.
It would appear to me that if they waited for the sharks to become an ENDANGERED species, which may or maynot happen, it would be an EPA issue not a fisheries issue.
As I see it the EPA do not have the resources, boats, man power, etc, to manage such a species, location or laws in this area so the goverment rushes through this change in the fisheries law so that Fisheries look after it instead of the EPA.
I hope you weren't implying that this would have been a better outcome?Originally Posted by Ausfish
There are certainly better ways to handle the so called plight of the grey nurse than closures.
Such methods as actually carrying out some scientific research to determine the most effective course of action and locations would do for starters.
I feel the government would be better off bringing fisher-persons into the fold a bit rather then alienating us by imposing unfair closures. Correct and fair consultation (you cant tell me they read all the RIS results from the public in that short a time) with interested groups, clubs and the like would produce a better outcome.
Most of us are just as conservation minded as the so called “greenies” and would most likely be able to assist the relevant authority with locations etc but after the way this has been handled who would be game to mention seeing a grey nurse shark and giving away the location.
Cheers Stu
Jockey
The sentence was as follows, as stated in context of the full post.
I haven't seen or heard of any sceintific data that would suggest that they will become ENDANGERED, especially not from recreational fishing. I wouldn't like to see any species become endangered or extinct. Maybe if the government spent some time and resources into investigating it properly they will not get that way. If they introduce laws in a knee jerk reaction like this I can't see any real benefit to the sharks, just benefit to the government saving a lot of money by not having it become an EPA issue.It would appear to me that if they waited for the sharks to become an ENDANGERED species, which may or maynot happen, it would be an EPA issue not a fisheries issue.
giday steve
i to think its a knee-jerk action, at least they left s/temp & hutchies out of closers( for now at least). i to think if there that concerned about there welfare it should be off limits to divers as well. i still hav`t heard of anyone catching a shark on a trolled lure. thanks for info lee
I hope this so called consultation process that took place is not a sign of things to come in regards to closing other areas off for whatever reason.
In relation to the diving still being allowed during daylight hours with little regulation I did notice that one of the diving websites was actively campaigning to have the Grey Nurse Areas closed (see link). Maybe I am cynical but I wonder if their involvment had a few promises attached ?????
http://www.diveoz.com.au/gns/gns-qld.asp
I think they've spent about half a million dollars studying them on the east coast. Ask David Harasti for more details. As with most conservation measures, the politics need to preceed the science to a certain extent as you will never know everything. Look up the 'precautionary principle.' Bottom line is its a lot easier and cheaper to pass a few laws than get all the info immediately. You guys make it sound like this is a bad thing. Remember this is your tax money they are spending.
I think the the dive groups are being a bit one eyed about it by trying to ban all fishing methods including those that obviously have no impact while at the same time sending out heaps of tourists. They have even started silly rumours about spearos shooting sharks after the spearos got involved in studying them. No doubt it will come back and bite them in the arse again.
Stu - you don't have to give away the location. Talk to the people collecting the info or your nearest club and they should be able to sort something out.
giday jockey
this is a very bad thing where will it end the people that make this laws have no idea whats going on in the real world. grey nurse shark protection is a lot of bull shit. lee
The banning of all fishing in the GNS zones came down to enforcement not scientific reasons.
Everyone knew it would be commonsense to allow trolling in the zones - especially with an artificial lure - but - from a fisheries perspective it's now much easier to enforce.
Line in water - BADDY
No lines in water - GOODY
It's as simple as that.
While I don't agree with it I can see their reasoning.
Bugman
Whats the reasoning behind allowing diving in these areas. Is it because the dive industry lobbies politicians more effectively than the recreational/charter industry. I cant see any sense in banning fishing and then allowing the posibility of divers pestering the heck out of these supposedly endangered creatures. It seems like they are setting up diver only recreational areas.
I agree with Lee he has hit the nail right on the head. It is a load of crap.
Now they have these areas as no go zones for fishing what is next. Where will it all end. ???
Cheers Stu.
Bugman I must admit I hadn't considered that aspect. Wouldn't it be just as easy from an enforcement perspective to go by whether you are anchored?
Some of the bubblys involved will readily admit that other fishing groups were poorly represented at the meetings and acknowledge that we got a bod deal.
Probably not jockey, drift fishing would be allowed if this were the case.
I agree that fishos were underepresentated in the group but I also know there was a pretty big split in the diving groups as well. There was actually a fare representation of divers that wanted the areas off limits to divers as well. Another section didn't mind trolling.
I think government/scientists made a decision which they think would be in the best interests of the sharks longterm and also allow a very small local industry to continue unhindered. Very much a dollars/sense decision.
Bluey - I have no doubt it will end with hardly any fish left in the ocean but luckilly I won't be arround for that. Shame for my grandchildren's children though. I've never seen a GNS shark on a dive - other than at underwater world - but I agree that a pack of divers would have an affect on the GNS habits. A Mustard 8o connected to 100lb trace would probably have more of an affect don't you think.
Bugman
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