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Thread: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

  1. #16

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    The whole bag limits thing is going to be a "hottie" as the new inshore fin fish regs start to become public knowledge. It begs the question however about what is the purpose of bag limits? Surely it is to protect a species under threat. If a species is not under threat, do we need bag limits?? Is it just a way of "big brother"" infringing on individual rights...personally...not sure!

    I kind of like bag limits but really understand the problems they cause, both to individuals and business. I actually live on the GBR and get out to the reef fishing maybe twice a year. It's a big trip, even from here, 2 1/2 hour run, usually 2 boats for safety sake, off at dawn looking forward to a good day. If you happen to hit a patch of trout it can be all over by 8am and the choice is then go home or catch and release. The survival rate for deep caught reef fish is ZERO so do I keep fishing for fun and just kill fish or go home??

    At the other end of the scale are those fishos who are reef mad, get out maybe 30 times a year and as such get (if they are good) 240 trout compared to my 16 Hmmm!!

    I had a suggestion a while ago by a member for a tags sytem. Buy your tags (say 50 cents or a buck each) and be able to buy (say) 100 a year and you have to tag every fish you catch with a single use tag. This opens up all sorts of dramas with black market selling of tags and the 30 trip a year guys being able to buy 1000,s of tags...........stuffed if I know!

    At the end however it should come down to sustainablity NOT bag limits just because the Government does not want rec fishos to feed their friends and neighbors. If fish stocks are fine...then should we have increased bag limits?? It is ludicrous that rec fishers are having increased and restrictive bag limits while commercial fisheries can catch as many as they can of some species...that said the trout issue is one being adressed by reduced catch quotas as well as bag limits...the thing is this is for a fish stock which shows little or no decline in density over a 14 year study program on both fished and unfished reefs.

    Before I get slammed with the "good old days" scenario on that statement,Dr Tony Aling...the author of the most comprehensive study of coral trout every undertaken over 14 consecutive years clearly says the trout numbers are still there, it is just the "catchablity" which has changed...in a word, just like sooties in an impoundment, trout "wise up".

    This is why, after a long period of bad weather the trout are suddenly "on the bite". It is in effect just that they have started to forget the lessons of fishing pressure.

    The "I like to catch and release" fisho is actually more likely to come into the crosshairs of the flouro greens than the meat fisho. Catch and release, as well as live baiting is already banned in Germany (home of the greens).why?

    In a nutshell, if your mission in life is to catch and release, what are you really doing? You are deliberately setting out to inflict injury or pain?? (jury is out on that one) and certainly stress on an animal for your own pleasure....see where this is going? If the purpose you fish is to "gather food" for the family that is "justifiable", if it is purely for pleasure at an animals expense then Hmmm!! I had a few Tackle shops, during the campaign, slagging off at meat fishos (who I might add are the majority) about how they were "damaging" the image of fishing. Personally it was all a bit elitist. I eat catch fish, I eat fish, I don't feel guilty. I also let an awful lot go and I have to say, sometimes I get a twinge of consience.

    Penny for everyone thoughts on this.

    KC

  2. #17

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    I we don't make a stand, none of the areas closed to fishing will ever be opened up again, there will only be more closures, until ultimately recreational fishing will be banned completely. Then we wont need DPI fisheries inspectors because they will have nothing to inspect. ???
    The people who make these decisions and those that work for them, have nothing else to do, this is their job. It's like building houses , once you finish one you move on the next. Don't think these people are sitting on their hands, they are actively working on the next BIG closure. Tony said the GBRMPA have overstepped their authority, maybe we should all go and fish in the no go areas , get caught and plead not guilty and challenge this breach of our natural human rights in the high court.
    Surely we all have the right to feed ourselves. Next thing you wont be able grow veges in your own back yard. ???

  3. #18

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Thought provoking comments KC. Don't think there is any right answer. Just up to the individual and their conscience - although we all know there are plenty of people out there without one. I certainly did not know the coral trout fishery was in such good shape.

    Cheers,

    Jeremy
    "The underlying spirit of angling is that the skill of the angler is pitted against the instinct and strength of the fish and the latter is entitled to an even chance for it's life."
    (Quotation from the rules of the Tuna Club Avalon, Santa Catalina, U.S.A.)

    Apathy is the enemy

  4. #19

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Quote Originally Posted by SeaHunt
    ....none of the areas closed to fishing will ever be opened up again, there will only be more closures....
    Yes more closures and even more closures are a distinct possibility especially if the pandering greens and associates have their way BUT one shouldn't believe for one minute that any of these areas will never be re-opened in some way, shape or form.

    The key words being in some way, shape or form, think about it Does anybody think for a minute that with such a valuable resource just sitting there doing absolutely nothing and that's what it's actually doing absolutely nothing there won't be a move down the track to "capitalize" on this resource

    ....Next thing you wont be able grow veges in your own back yard. ???
    Funny how things change once upon a time everybody had a rain water tank, everybody, so then the authorities and dimwits step in and along with much BS and all the goody two shoe health dimbo's rain water tanks were banned, illegal, unhealthy etc etc.

    So what do the same mob squeal about today, why don't ALL houses have rain water tanks ???, yeah why not, like as if somebody has thought they've discovered something new.

    Cheers, Kerry.


  5. #20

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Hi Jeremy,

    Send me your email adress & I will send you some research documents on Dr Aylings work. Makes for amazing reading and shoots down in flames the "Overfishing" myth on the GBR.

    Just a a quick example the total combined recreational and commercial catch for the GBR is roughly 17kg per square kilometer per year...the average for indopacific reefs is 7000kg per square kilometer per year.....and no, that's not a typo.

    The great myth of the green movement and their mates at GBRMPA. Unfortunately, so many people, including fishos, buy into this propogander and start calling for restrictions, bag limits, closed seasons etc without really doing any homework and just taking the Governments word for things.

    Personally, if a fishery has problems, (such as the barra fishery before closed seasons) I applaud protection meassures including closed seasons and bag limits but to wacking closed seasons and super restrictive bag limits on species which are not under pressure, that is another matter all together. This just reeks of big brother regulating just another part of our lives, just because they can. I have to stress however this is my personal opinion. TFPQ does not have specific species by species policies on this issue and feedback from members will ultimately determine which way we go with this.

    Regards

    KC

  6. #21
    NQCairns
    Guest

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Off topic a bit.
    I just caught on channel 7 news 3 minutes on the fishing party, Nationals and a the standard turkey type marine biologist.
    KC if you read this can you send out a memo to all speakers for your party stating in no uncertain terms - that when in context and they say the word fishing they MUST MUST MUST first say the word Rereational!!!
    No chance of nailing people like the marine biologist if he has a huge loophole and can answer with regard to all fishing practices without fear or favour in his answer.
    The recreational aspect is going over everyones heads except those on chat boards, IMHO the word recreational is your power, use it wisely . cheers nq

  7. #22

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    KC

    You fish the Great Barrier Reef twice a year and you are the main spokesperson here for the Fishing Party. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


    Derek

  8. #23

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Bullock
    KC
    You fish the Great Barrier Reef twice a year and you are the main spokesperson here for the Fishing Party. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???....
    Geez so how does the ministers fishing diary read who is responsible for all this crap .

    And having "advisers" ain't the right answer

    Cheers, Kerry.


  9. #24

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Once he crosses the low water mark he is fishing the GBR MARINE PARK, not necessarily on the GBR. This was the same misunderstanding that GBRMPA etc. used to gain support for the rezoning.
    He didn't say that he only participated as a recreational fisherman twice per year.
    Congratulations KC you stepped up to the plate when others didn't.
    Any fishing is good fishing (should probably say Any fishing is...probably going to be illegal soon)

  10. #25

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    ....fishing the GBR MARINE PARK, not necessarily on the GBR....
    And this is where 33-40% of the GBR MARINE PARK might be zoned but something like double that for the actual GBR proper, which is the another one of those environmental deception's.

    Cheers, Kerry.

  11. #26

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Thanks Kc n Kerry, ya just saved me a mouthfull lol.. ..

    Cheers

  12. #27
    gif
    Guest

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Derek

    KC actually fishes 2 solid months a year. Mostly ex Weipa.

    I helped out the Fishing Party. I have fished with kids off the Jetty, standing in creeks and have placed in a Tournament.( just once)

    but I have never fished on the reef. The Fishing Party is not called the Reef Party after all.

    I helped out The Fishing Party so that the same poor management decisions made on the Reef do not happen where I live. Even the Minister said he was disappointed with the outcome because management followed their own agenda.

    Democracy was thwarted by bureaucrats it seems

    So what is your point in reality? I had the privilege of meeting the heads of Fishing organizations around Australia last week - and they all hardly get the time to go fishing anymore. Because they work so hard for those who do fish.

    Derek, you bring an important viewpoint to this forum.

    My only concern is that I believe the role and responsibility of moderator requires you to be a gentle traffic cop independent and with few opinions.

    I welcome your spirited debate - but perhaps you should resign as a moderator? Or at least refuse to use your moderator power on any debate in which you also enter. Perhaps you also do. Please Don’t take that as an insult in any way.

    A final Note: It seems that most of politics does happen behind the scenes. What you read in the papers is just a small part of the game

  13. #28

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Derek
    How often do you fish the reef?

    Regards, Tony ???

  14. #29
    Sportfish_5
    Guest

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    What has how many times KC fishes the reef per year got to do with anything ? ???

    I live in SEQ and I am upset with what has happened with the GBR Zonings and fully support anything the guys there are doing. As has been said before - Well done KC and the team in the Fishing Party, that was an exceptional result in the election given the infancy of the party. [smiley=2thumbsup.gif]

    I think you need to better explain your comment there Derek

    Regards,

    Greg

  15. #30

    Re: WWF questions Minister's reef claims

    Well that provoked an angry response.

    While I have the title of Global Moderator on here my primary function as a Moderator is in the Camping Chat area and I have never used my Moderator functions on any other matters. It has nothing to do with my opposition to The Fishing Party and their wishes and views to try and revoke what the Government has achieved on the Great Barrier Reef or any other areas in this country.

    Gary, my point is specifically that, I didnt vote for them and I oppose what The Fishing Party are all about.

    30,000 out of all the voters in Queensland isnt a lot. How many voters simply voted for the Fishing Party because someone shoved a voting card under their noses on polling day and all they saw was "Fishing" without them even knowing what the Party is all about. I recall somewhere back in another post where people were crowing about how they got voters to vote for them who had never heard of the Fishing Party before they got to the polls.

    If Steve, as the owner of Ausfish, wishes to revoke my Moderator status because of my views on this then that will be his decision.

    Just remember yours and my grandchildren and make sure there are some fish left for them.

    Cheers


    Derek

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