If people are going to eat these things - ah well. I have tried using them for bait both live and strips, with some success. I actually found where grinners were having a birthday party last Sunday morning. About eight and half miles WNW of Rooneys Point (western side/top end of Fraser), as they were all there, all over a foot long, double hook ups the lot. About 20 in a very short time - lost my patience and headed west to the southern gutters and caught quite a good mixed bag. Less said about grinners the better off we will all be.