boat show salespersons

[NEWBY]

I havent worked in sales since the late 1970's, but I think modern sales people dont want to seem pushy.
There have been alot of law suits and sales people being grilled on 60 minutes and other like shows.
I think this is why they are more cautious these days.
This is just my theory from my own observations. If there are anyone who works in sales these days who can put a light on this please do.
I would be interested to know why there has been a change in sales tactics.

Saphire ya hit the nail on the head. Salespeople are damned if they do and damned if they dont. If there had been a heap of pushy sales people there trying to flog their wares and FEED THEIR FAMILIES, I am sure this thread would have been about "The pushy bloody sales men at the show" You might have guessed by now that I am in the sales industry. In fact I run a car dealership and I can tell you right now from experience (and many years of it) that the general buying public are rude, ignorant and liars. YES LIARS. It is now a common saying in the sales industry that "BUYERS ARE LIARS" C'mon guys, how many tomes have you walked into somewhere to look at a purchase and when you didnt hear what YOU wanted to hear you have blatantly lied to the sales person with things like "I have to speak to the missus" or " I will think about it" BULL SHEET....... You have no intention of doing either so after a few years of hearing this crap, us sales people that have been accused of being "pushy" or "using pressure" start to not want tp talk to anyone who is not "REAL" If you really wanted to buy something or needed information why didnt you just bloody ask instead of crusifying the poor bloody salesman trying to make a living? Like I said, I run a car yard, and my sales staff are busting their arse 60+ hours a week trying to do their best and what gratitude do they get for that? Comments like "bloody rip off merchants" etc. Funny how the tide turns eh? And what about these poor buggers that are working their Sundays at the show? Who pays them? Well its the dealer and what do most people do when they get their info and price from the salesman? They go down the road so some lazy bugger can beat their price by a hundred bucks and the poor bugger that spent 2 hours feeding you with info get's "JACK SHEET" Yep, as you may have guessed, this thread has peed me off. Before ya get on ya high horses about sales people, get off yer backside and try it. I know that you will have a new respect for them. Oh by the way, most motor show and boat show organisers these days insist that sales people stay their distance from the looker because in previous years the "LOOKER" has whinged and whined that the sales people were pushy. Ya make ya bed, lie in it.

[NEWBY]

stuff a sock in ur wallet ...... that usaully gets the sales staff attention

Thats is harsh bigE. Maybe you should stick that sock in ya pants and get some of that good lovin' from a good woman eh? Although, just like the sock in the wallet, she would find out you are fake... >

[PinHead]

[quote author=saphire link=1125725138/0#5 date=1125742839]I havent worked in sales since the late 1970's, but I think modern sales people dont want to seem pushy.
There have been alot of law suits and sales people being grilled on 60 minutes and other like shows.
I think this is why they are more cautious these days.
This is just my theory from my own observations. If there are anyone who works in sales these days who can put a light on this please do.
I would be interested to know why there has been a change in sales tactics.

Saphire ya hit the nail on the head. Salespeople are damned if they do and damned if they dont. If there had been a heap of pushy sales people there trying to flog their wares and FEED THEIR FAMILIES, I am sure this thread would have been about "The pushy bloody sales men at the show" You might have guessed by now that I am in the sales industry. In fact I run a car dealership and I can tell you right now from experience (and many years of it) that the general buying public are rude, ignorant and liars. YES LIARS. It is now a common saying in the sales industry that "BUYERS ARE LIARS" C'mon guys, how many tomes have you walked into somewhere to look at a purchase and when you didnt hear what YOU wanted to hear you have blatantly lied to the sales person with things like "I have to speak to the missus" or " I will think about it" BULL SHEET....... You have no intention of doing either so after a few years of hearing this crap, us sales people that have been accused of being "pushy" or "using pressure" start to not want tp talk to anyone who is not "REAL" If you really wanted to buy something or needed information why didnt you just bloody ask instead of crusifying the poor bloody salesman trying to make a living? Like I said, I run a car yard, and my sales staff are busting their arse 60+ hours a week trying to do their best and what gratitude do they get for that? Comments like "bloody rip off merchants" etc. Funny how the tide turns eh? And what about these poor buggers that are working their Sundays at the show? Who pays them? Well its the dealer and what do most people do when they get their info and price from the salesman? They go down the road so some lazy bugger can beat their price by a hundred bucks and the poor bugger that spent 2 hours feeding you with info get's "JACK SHEET" Yep, as you may have guessed, this thread has peed me off. Before ya get on ya high horses about sales people, get off yer backside and try it. I know that you will have a new respect for them. Oh by the way, most motor show and boat show organisers these days insist that sales people stay their distance from the looker because in previous years the "LOOKER" has whinged and whined that the sales people were pushy. Ya make ya bed, lie in it.
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What is wrong with getting other prices. I can give you a good example of that...3 months back..went to a Mazda dealer...took a car for a test run..he quoted me list price..I asked what his best price was with the options I wanted..he would not give it to me without signing a purchase agreement...cos he said I would farm his price around..of course I would..what did he think I was..stupid. I went to a Toyota dealer..no problems at all...bought a new Toyota. In my industry I have to submit quotations for most jobs..sometimes there are 6 or 7 tenderers...cannot the car sales people handle some competition?

[NEWBY]

[quote author=NEWBY link=1125725138/40#45 date=1127040679][quote author=saphire link=1125725138/0#5 date=1125742839]I havent worked in sales since the late 1970's, but I think modern sales people dont want to seem pushy.
There have been alot of law suits and sales people being grilled on 60 minutes and other like shows.
I think this is why they are more cautious these days.
This is just my theory from my own observations. If there are anyone who works in sales these days who can put a light on this please do.
I would be interested to know why there has been a change in sales tactics.

Saphire ya hit the nail on the head. Salespeople are damned if they do and damned if they dont. If there had been a heap of pushy sales people there trying to flog their wares and FEED THEIR FAMILIES, I am sure this thread would have been about "The pushy bloody sales men at the show" You might have guessed by now that I am in the sales industry. In fact I run a car dealership and I can tell you right now from experience (and many years of it) that the general buying public are rude, ignorant and liars. YES LIARS. It is now a common saying in the sales industry that "BUYERS ARE LIARS" C'mon guys, how many tomes have you walked into somewhere to look at a purchase and when you didnt hear what YOU wanted to hear you have blatantly lied to the sales person with things like "I have to speak to the missus" or " I will think about it" BULL SHEET....... You have no intention of doing either so after a few years of hearing this crap, us sales people that have been accused of being "pushy" or "using pressure" start to not want tp talk to anyone who is not "REAL" If you really wanted to buy something or needed information why didnt you just bloody ask instead of crusifying the poor bloody salesman trying to make a living? Like I said, I run a car yard, and my sales staff are busting their arse 60+ hours a week trying to do their best and what gratitude do they get for that? Comments like "bloody rip off merchants" etc. Funny how the tide turns eh? And what about these poor buggers that are working their Sundays at the show? Who pays them? Well its the dealer and what do most people do when they get their info and price from the salesman? They go down the road so some lazy bugger can beat their price by a hundred bucks and the poor bugger that spent 2 hours feeding you with info get's "JACK SHEET" Yep, as you may have guessed, this thread has peed me off. Before ya get on ya high horses about sales people, get off yer backside and try it. I know that you will have a new respect for them. Oh by the way, most motor show and boat show organisers these days insist that sales people stay their distance from the looker because in previous years the "LOOKER" has whinged and whined that the sales people were pushy. Ya make ya bed, lie in it.
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What is wrong with getting other prices. I can give you a good example of that...3 months back..went to a Mazda dealer...took a car for a test run..he quoted me list price..I asked what his best price was with the options I wanted..he would not give it to me without signing a purchase agreement...cos he said I would farm his price around..of course I would..what did he think I was..stupid. I went to a Toyota dealer..no problems at all...bought a new Toyota. In my industry I have to submit quotations for most jobs..sometimes there are 6 or 7 tenderers...cannot the car sales people handle some competition?
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Well pin head YES we can handle the competition but I would hazard a guess and say that when you submit a tender it is a once of price and not something that gets turned into a dutch auction. What ever happened to smart (thats non-stupid) people who sit and NEGOTIATE their deal. And whats to say pin head that you got the best price from Toyota? Heres how it happens pin head. say you go to a dealer and ask for his best price, then you go down the road and the other dealer gives you a price thats $500 better. You think thats great and buy the car. How do YOU know that the second dealer hasnt still got 5 grand left? Well you dont but if you make an offer to your LOCAL dealer, you know the one that tips thousands of dollars a year into sponsorship and stuff in your area, an offer that YOU are happy to pay, and that dealer accepts the deal which means he has enough profit left in it to pay the rent and wages, isnt that then the BEST deal??????????? Your happy to pay it, he's happy to accept it, everyones a winner. AND everyones happy. Thats a PROFESSIONAL negotiation process.

[PinHead]

NO..that is not how it works with me...I do not have the time to drive from dealership to dealership. I sent out faxes to vatious dealers..Mazda and Toyota...requesting prices..I got a reply from one Mazda dealer (the one I went to) and one Toyota dealer ( the one I went to also). The others did not have the common decency to even reply. Oh well..they must be making a killing with their sales. After the Mazda dealer did not give me a price I went to the Toyota dealer...he gladly gave me a price..i was satisfied with the price..I took $5000.00 cash out of my pocket as a deposit..told him I would collect the car in 4 days..done deal..simple as that..all I wanted was the price from the Mazda bloke but he would not give it to me. When I shop I usually know what I want and what I am prepared to pay for it..let's be serious..buying a car under $30000.00 price tag is no big deal...it is not a great deal of money..I sell air cond systems that are worth lots more than that..and with a lot less hassles. Any dealer that would accept a deal without having any profit in it deserves to go out of business...I can assure you I do not do any jobs without profit in them..I could stay home and watch TV and go broke with a lot less dramas than doing that. I am the world's worst shopper..I hate it..as I said..I know what I want and what I expect to pay...very easy dealing with me.

[PinHead]

OH..and you would be surprised in the building industry how the tender process does turn into a dutch austion..the lowest tender may be above their budget price so they then farm it around again..no difference.

[NEWBY]

OH..and you would be surprised in the building industry how the tender process does turn into a dutch austion..the lowest tender may be above their budget price so they then farm it around again..no difference.

I am not surprised but imagine if we just went to the builder with our buget and we negotiated where we wanted to be? If the builder can do it for the price we go ahead, if he cant, then go to the next one? Ahhhhhhh yes, utopia, the perfect world. 2 parties, a professional negotiation process. 1 deal. less time. no bull sheeeeeet..... ahhhhhh yes....utopia