Syringes on Ramp

[ba229]

And then we have wankers that want to save the live of that Aussie guy in Singapore who is about to die for trying to import heroin.

That selfish fool was more than happy to take a chance and make money to the detrement of our society. Who cares about the victims hey?

I will light a candle when they stretch his neck and he is dead for all the good people out there.

[Poseidon]

Its clear that the softly, softly approach to substance abuse has gotten us to where we are today. Lets face it, as was mentioned earlier our prisons are bulging at the seems with those who have fallen foul of the law to satisfy their habit, they have stolen, bashed, lied and cheated all to get the cash to get their next fix. And you would think that prison would be one place where you could lose an addiction pretty quickly, but alas the prisons are full to the brim with drugs, again because of the softly, softly approach.
I feel very sorry for the parents of an addict and I also feel sorry for those other innocents who have fallen victim to crime at the hands of an addict. However the way we in this country are looking at the drug problem must change course.

"In Order For Evil To Triumph, Good People Do Nothing"

[ba229]

A mate of mine has a simple observation of how our society runs today.

"Its all just kisses and cuddles" You can do something wrong time and time again but someone will always be there to give you kisses and cuddles.

[blaze]

I dont blame user or pushers but the goverment who has taken away our right to disapline our children.
cheers
blaze

[SeaHunt]

I've spent many hours with the families of addicts...I've wept along side of my best friend who's daughter died of a heroine overdose. The families of addicts are hurting and broken people but none of them would prefer to see their loved one die...
Cheers
rhys

Thats fine Rhys , I also feel sorry for the familys, in particular the parents. A lot dont die and keep taking it , for years and years.
I too have spent many hours with the familys of addicts also, because in my extended family (neices, nephews, in laws etc) there is probably about half a dozen of them or more, I agree no one wants to see their loved ones die, but after watching a few put their parents through 20 to 30 years of hell I will stick by what I said.
Everyone concerned would have been better off if they would have dropped dead the first time they injected herion into their veins. Its harsh, but I think in the long run would be more compasionate for the parents.
The guy that has been in rehab 10 times was one of my best mates, I still get along with him fine, he is nearly 50 and has only recently got off the juice, probably because the quack told him he would have to cut one of his legs off if he didn't.
Thats 30 years of on/off herion abuse, probably sent his parents to early graves , but not himself,.......... yet

[turkey_beach_boy]

yeah dug i agree 100%.legalised drugs takes the black market side out of it.but they would probly still throw their picks everywhere

[Barrymundi]

oh to be so perfect.

put up your hand to be god

who wants the power to say live or die,

Lots of assumptions made from a needle at a boat ramp, could have come from a diabetic, medical waste,

one in ten people are addictied to a substance, pick out 10% of your friends and have them killed.

yes i have recovered from substance abuse.

after the addicts maybe we should shoot all gays, then go by colour, then my country of birth, oh sorry that was Hitler

[bidkev]

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but I'd hate to lose sight of the value of the person even if their behaviour is less than what I would like...otherwise I become like those overseas who leave the dead and dying on the streets and undervalue human life IMO...

I'm not a neanderthol, I recognise the issues, the difficulties and the cost...the reasons for addiction are as many as the sand on the sea shore...but the way I see it I am either part of the problem, part of the landscape or part of the solution...and wishing people dead, to me, is not an acceptable solution...

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Noble and honourable Rhys and I respect your opinion and sometimes hate myself for what I now feel but every time, on reflection, I feel that there is no solution other than what I advocate.

There was a time though when I thought like you. You cannot become a foster carer if you are deemed to be judgemental and believe you me, because of my past, the psychological profiling that I underwent in order to become a carer speaks volumes of how I then felt with regards to the misfortunes that had befallen these families, including the addicts. I was far from judgemental back then.

Why am I different now? Simply beacause of my experiences as a carer. I have seen so *much* abuse, and so little real change in those who do the abusing, that I had to rethink my whole attitude to the situation. I am now totally convinced that the only way out of this situation is "zero tolerance"

I initially hated the thought of abandoning anyone in need, including the abusive parents as long as there was the slightest glimmer of hope of rehab and reconciliation. As I say though, in my experience, giving the "benefit of the doubt" invariably leads to the abuser failing and going on to commit further abuse. We therefore fail the abused, submit them to further abuse, which in turn leads to them abusing. By allowing the substance abusers one inch of freedom we put others at risk, invariably the elderly and kids because basically the abusers are cowards who are too weak to turn their lives around despite all the help and understanding thrown at them. How many instances of abuse are commited daily because of the silly, politically correct magistrates who allow bail so easily?

I used to think, "there but for the Grace of god go I" but I grew up and realised that "God" had nothing to do with it. It was *me* who turned myself around, because I hated myself for what I was doing to others. I *wanted* to change and there's the rub. The vast majority don't want to change, they just want their "high" and feck everyone else. I am not blowing my own trumpet here, just trying to illustrate the main motivator in acheiving succes.....the *desire* to have things differently.

It is our responsibility to protect our future generation from being abused and turned into abusers. Only zero tolerance will achieve this and I can assure you that Singapore has achieved in a few short years what "civilised society" will still be trying to acheive if we don't adopt zero tolerance now.

As I say, sometimes I wish I could still feel like you Rhys, but that wouldn't solve anything now would it?

cheers

kev

[stubi]

Hi everyone

I have no answers, just more questions.

1. What do you do with the repeat drink driving offenders? If you ask a friend of mine she will say line them all up against a wall and shoot them all. Her husband of three weeks was killed by a drunk driver.

2. What do you do with the smoker that drops his/her cigarette beside the road and starts a bush fire that threatens and destroys hundreds of homes and kills people and firefighters?

I am sorry if I offend anyone, but it is a problem with ALL addictive drugs, not just the illegal ones. Thoughtlessness kills and destroys lives, no matter what the drug.

As I said I have no answers, just questions. I have no sympathy for those that continually f%@k over others to get their fix, I DO have sympathy for their families and those who have to live with the suffering everyday, especially the kids and victims (some will argue the addict is also a victim. OK, but a victim of choice maybe? The majority of addicts CHOSE to use in the first place)!!!!

Thanks for listening to my thoughts, I am glad we live and come from a country where we can express our thoughts and ideas. [smiley=end.gif]

See ya, Stu

[lil_boatie]

In August a little girl at thornlands state school found one in the sand pit, She picked it up to take it to the teacher, triped over and got herself. Read it your self.

http://redland.yourguide.com.au/deta...ews&class_id=7

It was in a bloody primary school!!!!

Thanks

[bignick]

As per usual, it's the decent people who pay the price and have to tread warily around to avoid the hazards left behind by dirty stinkin' junkies (let's give them their full and correct title). What an absolutely useless little group in our society; not only do they bash, rob and traumatise innocent people when they commit crimes to pay for their vile habit, they then discard their AIDS and Hepatitis-ridden syringes anywhere and everywhere to create even more grief for an innocent person to step on. It's a lovely world where a walk down to the boat ramp can cost you your life if you step in the wrong place (AIDS is fatal last time I checked). Then those people who want to help these tormented wretched souls want us to have sympathy for them and their plight. Ask the bloke working at the Servo when it gets robbed and he gets his head bashed in for $200 of somebody else's money if he has any sympathy for them. Then again, it's all everybody else's fault and the junkie is the victim and we are all just collateral damage.

Cheers,
NICK.

[bidkev]

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Thanks for listening to my thoughts, I am glad we live and come from a country where we can express our thoughts and ideas. [smiley=end.gif]

The majority of addicts CHOSE to use in the first place)!!!!


See ya, Stu

Nice post Stu and if there's one thing I've learned abot Oz it is that you *can* have differences of opinions but that doesn't neccessarily make you "enemies". Arguments are easily forgiven and forgotten and despite Qld having a rep as "red neck country" I find that most people respect others' rights to differ on an issue without harbouring animosity. Perhaps I only encounter nice people?

The fact about choice though is a contentious issue. Some research shows that abusers don't "Choose" in the sense that we understand "choices". They are pre-disposed via social or genetic influences. That being said, I still believe that once they are aware of their problem, and how it affects others as well as themselves, then it *becomes* a matter of choice. You either want to kick it, or you don't. Research has shown that there is no physical inclination towards addictive drugs once iout of your system and that "rehabs" who lapse do so not because of physical craving but because of "mental/moral weakeness"

cheers

kev

[Dignity]

Saw or heard recently that young people up to about the age of 22 who drink too much alcohol lose a lot of their cognitive skills and I would assume (rightly or wrongly) that any substance abuse could have similar repurcussions. This would explain their actions in not caring etc. I've read what has been said, agree with some, disagree with others and undecided on other points.

I guess my main aim was to make boaties aware that they need to take more care at places they work/play as I was certainly a little more lcarefree at the ramps.

Cheers Sam

[stubi]

Thanks for the responce Kev

I agree 100% with you mate, maybe I should have put "majority" in capitals as well. By no means am I putting "all" addicts in the same basket, sorry if I led you to believe otherwise.

I am just an ex-chippie after all and I am not always that great at expressing what I am trying to say. I am a teacher now instead, scarey thought [smiley=hammer.gif] [smiley=stupid.gif] [smiley=wut.gif] [smiley=zzz.gif] [smiley=huh2.gif] [smiley=book2.gif] [smiley=bomb.gif]

I guess that we all need to remember that ALL our actions have consequences, both to ourselves and others.

Stu