Syringes on Ramp

[Hoges]

99.9% chance that the sun and salt would kill off any Aids virus in a very short time but I would not like to risk it.

Hepatitis C would be a worry too >

Sorry but if we legalized drugs and made them available on prescription it would take the glamour out of them.

Legal shooting galleries would stop a lot if needles lying round in parks and public spaces.

Prohibition, even the death penalty does not stop the drug trade, it just makes people more desperate.

Extremely well put together post Dug and my thoughts exactly.
Prohibition never solved anything.
Give the idiots free smack and take the profits away from the dealers.
Plus the added bonus of lesser house break-ins so addicts can finance their habit.
>

[DICER]

A word of caution if you are around mangroves in the Brisbane river - I've seen heaps of needles get caught in amongst and around the mangrove root systems. It appears that they float in on the tide are trapped. Most likely they are the result of them being dropped down the nearest drain and this leads them to be flushed out into the river once a storm or rain comes.

Needle exchange programs definitely needed.

Syringes trap fluid - take absolutely no chances.

It's only a matter of time before someone cops it.

[bidkev]

Every foster kid I've taken has been the produce of substance abuse. The majority are never returned and of those that have been, only one remained with the parents to the best of my knowledge.

Rehabbed offenders are few and far between. As far as I'm concerned, it's throwing good money at bad when we have to fight for every cent to help the abused kids, whilst we spend money on failed rehab attempts. Do you know that kids are actually left with their parents despite it being known that their is abuse taking place? Their just isn't enough money/carers/ to bring them to safety?

If you saw the state of some of these kids, then you'd want nothing but "cold turkey" for their parents. Girls as young as six sold for sex so that "mother" can have a fix, and no.......it's not an isolated incident, it happens all the time > >

Forget methadone and conventional rehab..........lock 'em in a cell without a fix and let them suffer as their kids do. Cold turkey is the way to go. Once they're "clean", then provide 'em with decent housing, psychiatric care, and monitor their parenting.......at the slightest hint of a slide backwards, get the kids out of there. Thereafter "3 hits and you're out"!!!!! If you ain't coming clean after 3 convictions or Family service investigations, then you'll never come clean. Let the pigs die!

Sorry, seen too much crap to have even one iota of consideration for these losers. I was raised in care due to my parent's addiction to alcohol so I suppose my views will be "coloured" by my experience and will continue to be so for the rest of my life. I myself, was "addicted" at one stage of my life. Sooner or later we have to wake up to ourselves and we all have to make hard decisions as to where we are going and how we affect others. Addiction is another word for "selfish" in my book...........I want what I want and I want it now and to hell with the consequences for myself and others.

I don't know what the answer

kev is to this epidemic of substance abuse related child abuse, but I do know that if the sufferer hasn't got the balls to do the hard yards, or the decency to coonsider others besides themselves, then no amount of rehab (aka health dollars/tax payers money) is going to make one jot of difference.

Sorry........I get carried away by this crap and to be honest, they can all rot in hell in my book.

[revs57]

Well, this is my field of work...and like you guys, I don't understand it either...and like you guys...I wish it was a heap different...and like you I would like to see a heap more responsibility take by users for their used syringes...but calling curses down from heaven wont fix anything either...

I understand the issues that contribute to addiction are multifaceted... educational, vocational, psychological, spiritual, political,social and economic...and until all sectors recognise the value of the other, and each contributes its unique contribution to the solution we will need to be vigilent with our own children and careful when in public places.

There is a sector that speaks strongly against shooting galleries for addicts, some suggest its rolling over on the problem...but clearly legislation is not going to either deter or solve the problem as it escalates.

The pro's for shooting galleries are the preservation of life if a junkie drops, and the safe disposal of syringes to protect the public and I personally think this out weighs the negatives.

One thing for sure is it is drug addiction is scourge that we all have to deal with in one way or another...

cheers

Rhys

[Louis]

Don't be sorry for expressing your opinions Kingtin.

They sound like words of wisdom from a man who has seen this side of life and has formulated his theorys based on his observations.


Louis


PS:
On another note:

Just for everyones knowledge:

I believe that most city councils these days have trained staff with the appropriate clothing/gear etc, who if you ring them will come out and clean up needles from a place.


Hope this info is of some help



Louis

[Poseidon]

It will be the same people who throw their empty rubbish out of the car without a care in the world, you know the type. The same people who will walk past the rubbish bin only to throw the rubbish at their feet.

Give it another generation and it all will be accepted as normal as those good people in the community will have to relocate away from the problem, find a nice rural setting and rememeber times gone by.

The 'do good movement' in the early 80's that set about hobbling the local police sergeant with the big boots has alot to answer for. I hope they reflect on the situation they have created in the community as they sip their next skinny cappacino in Park Road.

[Louis]

Well put Cam


I couldn't agree more.



Louis

[roz]

What is it with druggies that makes them behave that way, they seem to get all the help in the world yet they don't care if they pass on their filthy diseases to everybody else.

[Darryl]

I think that there brain is too fried to care about what other people think roz.

I remember taking my little bloke to Australia Fair shopping center down on the gold coast , like every kid he needed to go to the toilet as soon as we got there.

I waited outside the door for him as usual and he yelled out for me. Of course i went straight in and here he was holding a needle with no cap on it that he got out of the toilet roll holder whilst pulling the toilet paper out.

I'm generally not a voilent person but i tell ya if my son had of contracted any diseases from it i would have spent the rest of my life flogging any junkie i saw with a needle in his/her arm.

So i guess the moral of my rant is it's not just the water, it's everywhere we go.

Just got to be carefull i spose.


Darryl.

[sackrash]

Oxygen thieves the lot of them, a big fence and feed em the terrorists,its our tax dollars that is funding the jails that are no longer full of real criminals, just junkies who are doin break n enters to feed their habit.

[SeaHunt]

The pro's for shooting galleries are the preservation of life if a junkie drops,
Rhys

That's not a pro , thats a con.
Best thing for all concerned would be to let them die.
They would be better off , their familys would be better off and all the people they are going to rob would be better off also, they are already basically dead.

Agree with Kev here, Methadone doesn't work , they just end up addicted to both, rehab is usually pointless, I know someone who has been rehabed more than 10 times over the last 20 years.
Usually a junkie for life.
Some say harsh punishment doesn't work, well the hanged ones certainly stop selling the stuff, so I think it is more a matter of enforcement.

[Dignity]

It will be the same people who throw their empty rubbish out of the car without a care in the world, you know the type. The same people who will walk past the rubbish bin only to throw the rubbish at their feet.

Give it another generation and it all will be accepted as normal as those good people in the community will have to relocate away from the problem, find a nice rural setting and rememeber times gone by.

The 'do good movement' in the early 80's that set about hobbling the local police sergeant with the big boots has alot to answer for. I hope they reflect on the situation they have created in the community as they sip their next skinny cappacino in Park Road.

cam, pretty well spot on - try throwing a cigarette butt out or other rubbish in Singapore and there will be 3 coppers on to you before it hits the ground. Very clean city, don't know much about the drug their abuse problem.

Sam

[Louis]

You would think that with the level of knowledge out there of what unlawful drugs do to people, (eg. Mental Illness, addiction, harm to the body, possible death, a need to resort to a life of crime, gaol time etc.)

You would think that these people would have enough common-sense not to ever start.

Unfortunately it appears that in our society, common-sense is not all that common after all.



Louis

[revs57]

Sorry Seahunt...gonna have to agree to disagree on your point

"That's not a pro , thats a con.
Best thing for all concerned would be to let them die". (seahunt)

I see potential in every person regardless of addictions (we've all got them - some are just more destructive than others) and where there is life there is hope.

I've spent many hours with the families of addicts...I've wept along side of my best friend who's daughter died of a heroine overdose. The families of addicts are hurting and broken people but none of them would prefer to see their loved one die...

I can't believe the lack of compassion expressed in some of the posts, and lets not confuse compassion with feeling sorry for someone... I dislike addiction too, I've felt the impact of it personally, I see the reality of the behaviour on others, and many are disaffected, sure I'd be pi$$ed off and mad if one of my children were a victim of another's thoughtlessness, but I'd hate to lose sight of the value of the person even if their behaviour is less than what I would like...otherwise I become like those overseas who leave the dead and dying on the streets and undervalue human life IMO...

I'm not a neanderthol, I recognise the issues, the difficulties and the cost...the reasons for addiction are as many as the sand on the sea shore...but the way I see it I am either part of the problem, part of the landscape or part of the solution...and wishing people dead, to me, is not an acceptable solution...
Cheers

rhys

[Darryl]

It's an each to there own thing rhys and i respect your views and agree with them as i have a sister who had a prescription drug problem.

However i can also say that after seeing my son with a used syringe in his hand i honestly felt like looking for the first junkie i could find and giving him a flogging just out of pure rage.

I think people have just had enough of these type of people that i agree some want to be helped , but a lot dont. They are the irresponsible a##holes that leave stuff lying around.

Why should the average joe blow have to watch where he walks, sits or plays because of someone who has a problem with drugs . Yes as you say, they are someones child and need help but what is the gorvenment doing with our tax dollars to protect us from a potential aids stick?

I'm not having a go at ya rhys just trying to give you the insight on some other peoples perspective.


D