Maybe we should take a tougher approach

[theoldlegend]

Seems to me that John Howard and his mob will do just about anything to keep the Indos happy. Didn't he throw $1.8 billion at them after the tsunami?

Yeah sure, we see a few boats caught and burnt on the beach, looks good, but I really think they really aren't too concerned about this whole illegal entry into Australian waters etc by Indo fishermen, but when it's illegal immigrants, then there's some mileage in that for them.

The number of boats and personnel they've provided for our northern waters is an absolute joke.

TOL

[Commodore]

The other big concern as pointed out in the show was the fact they carry other livestock to our shores… >we have enough ferral animals as it is let alone ones with foreign diseases. Just as well we stopped shooting crocs, great natural defence system.

[Spaniard_King]

Hey Guys,

I would suggest that not too many get away . The Navy boys had to pull it up with the cameras watchin


Garry

[land-lubber]

dont know if u guys picked this up, but the navy bloke did mention in passing that there is new equiptment on the way that will help them to deal with these robbing mongerels. as i said in the fisheries officer post, im a crack shot at 1000 yards, id be happy to shoot holes in these boats below the water line [smiley=rifle.gif]

[Owen]

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad
I didn't see it and I'm kind of glad I didn't.
I once saw a documentory on the US Coastguard approach.
They bailed up a wooden trawler crossing from Cuba.
They warned it twice to stop - each time getting the "no speaka english" reply.
They they put a call out over the loud hailer saying "Clear the bridge we are about to open fire in 5 seconds"
Amazingly a whole bunch of people learned english immediately and bailed out.
When the five seconds were up they literally cut the bridge off the old trawler with a twin .50 browning.
Needless to say the captain of the boat then decided to allow it to be boarded

I'm sure our navy guys would be more than happy to do the same if the pollies took the shackles off them.

cheers,

Owen

[harry_h01]

I saw the program last night and I shook my head.

The captain of the navy ship stuffed up. He should of come along side and used his bigger steel boat to break the bamboo poles, or sat in behind the other boat and forced it sideways with his bow wave.

When I was working for my previous employer they put forward a suggestion to the governement to cover this very issue. It involved a number of satellites, boats and shore based radars. Very effective and it sealed off the whole top end to any one trying to come in. You could track a boat from the moment it crosses the line through to where ever it went or was going, and the sat coverage could even identify when they were fishing etc.

So what did the government do - sorry would cost to much and we are not ready for it yet. Quote "Also there isn't that bad a problem up there for us to go spending so much money on".

So now 60mins picks it up and the governement is looking to cover themselves again.

Go figure.

Harry

[Az]

they're taking over $100k worth of sharkfin and other fish from our waters each trip, yet only cop a $27k fine, obviously the penalty isn't harsh enough!

[Louis]

What a disgrace.

The world looks at Australia as a soft touch---sees it as a sign of weakness---and uses and abuses us for it.

When will our politicians wake up.

The navy in this instance needs the right to be able to shoot holes in these vessels at the waterline.


Louis

[bidkev]

What a disgrace.

The world looks at Australia as a soft touch---sees it as a sign of weakness---and uses and abuses us for it.

When will our politicians wake up.

The navy in this instance needs the right to be able to shoot holes in these vessels at the waterline.


Louis

Louis, that'd take too long for 'em to sink and allow the buggers to take to the life rafts! Don't you mean *below* the waterline?

kev

[Lucky_Phill]

Not sure on international protocol regarding other countries nationals tresspassing and breaking another countries laws, but maybe it's about time, Australia, as a Nation with some clout, started to adopt the," shoot first and ask questions later " approach.

Haven't seen the program, but have seen similar and know of the situation. Just today, in the press, That Uraguian boat chased and caught after a 2 weeks, for illegal Patagonian Fish poaching, was found not guilty in Australias Supreme/ High court. WTF ?

Keep the topic alive, and if you are keen enough or can spare a couple of minutes in your lifetime, people. Email, write and or phone you r Federal Member.......................Just do it !

Cheers Phill

[bidkev]

Saw the front page of the courier mail whilst standing in the supermarket queue. Didn't get to read it properly but I think it said something about the pro fishers offering their services to be the navy's eyes and ears up north. Gonna try and read about it online in a minute.

kev

[szopen]

I know it might sound a bit out of place.
I live in another country and I have not seen the show.

Reading through some of the posts above.

Regarding the firing of guns at a foreign boat in such siutuation.

Just imagine what would happen if Navy actually fired.
Bullets would hit.
A couple of teenage boys (lets say 12-13 years old) on the boat got hit and killed.

Everything over 20k worth of fish.

I know it is an extreme situation but also something to bear in mind.

And what would be said if it was an Aussie boat not fishing but accidentally crossing into another country waters.

Not such a simple thing as "shoot them all and let God sort them out" is it?

[Dave]

Yes I did see the show. What an absolute disgrace. This is our taxpayer dollar following this little tub around for no results. I totally agree with the shoot first ask questions later resolve. Sink the boat where it sits then use the rubber ducky to pick up anyone left floating, then straight onto the first plane back home. hopefully this might be a deterant for the rest. That is why they are using such shi##y little boats, if they do get caught it's no big loss, go back home and the drug lords will buy them a new one to keep going. Imagine if we were to refuse to stop for a fisheries inspection. Do you think they would just give up. Not likely, and that might be for one to many snapper or pearlies, not half a boat load of shark fin.

Does anybody know if you can do an electronic petition. that way we could sign the petition with our ip then when plenty of signatures someone prints it out and send it off. Could be a very productive tool.

Thats my 2 cents worth.

Dave

[Big_Kev]

I know it might sound a bit out of place.
I live in another country and I have not seen the show.

Reading through some of the posts above.

Regarding the firing of guns at a foreign boat in such siutuation.

Just imagine what would happen if Navy actually fired.
Bullets would hit.
A couple of teenage boys (lets say 12-13 years old) on the boat got hit and killed.

Everything over 20k worth of fish.

I know it is an extreme situation but also something to bear in mind.

And what would be said if it was an Aussie boat not fishing but accidentally crossing into another country waters.

Not such a simple thing as "shoot them all and let God sort them out" is it?

You are speaking of people refusing to go by the law in our country and acting in an agressive manner snubbing our law enforcment.
These people are only to proud to shoot our boy's and girl's for the sake of thier laws.

[blaze]

ok this is the first of many emails I have sent, supplied with all the info to get the most responce. I have not done a draught of my email as I think every body should put there own personel responce to it. I did note though on some of the email links I will post they do say if the question is not in regard to your postcode location it wont be answered (good way to junk a lot of emails)
this is the link to email the Prime Minister
cheers
blaze

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