Another boat swamped in the Bay HOW?

[bidkev]

[quote author=kingtin link=1137144821/0#13 date=1137157033]If it's the folks that I saw on the news, they were a bit on the "large" size. Odds are they both leaned over the side at the same time and the boat flipped. I can't for the life of me see the weather having anything to do with it.

As has been said, they should've stuck with the boat.

And yet again we get more dramatisation. Amity point my arse! They would never have made it to wello from there as they both looked as fit as my bunion. Odds are the media dreamed that one up to add a bit more shark spice. The bastards aren't happy with just an "ordinary" good luck rescue story, it has to be high drama.

kev

i understand why kazza came on defending her relos

i for one am a fat SOB also but even standing on the edge of a boat or leaning over with my fat mates while reviveing a marlin we have never looked like capsizeing a boat and just because some people are fatter than other sure doesn't make them worst swimmier

kazza wish the two well from me and no a size 12 sure as hell isn't fat [/quote]

Mate, I have explained my position on this and you're quoting out of context and seeing what wasn't/isn't intended. I said "If it's the folks I saw on the news" The female that I saw on the news certainly wasn't a size 12, but I only saw the back end of it and she may well have been the interviewer or some other person.

My dersion as to their ability to get from Amity to Wello was to illustrate the madcap reporting (AS IN THE LAST SENTENCE YOU'VE QUOTED) not their level of fitness or to imply that "heavier" people are worse swimmers. It could be taken as read that they would never have made it from Amity as the chap was clearly unwell due to luekaemia treatment and his weight (probably caused by medication, was not an issue (for me anyway). I ain't exactly thin myself.

As for the flipping of the boat. It was initially reported that the boat was 3.4 metres and I consider myself justified (considering the conditions at the time) in "guessing" the likely cause. I can assure you, that a 3.95 tinny can be easily flipped by just myself and the deckie leaning over the side pulling a crab pot, 'cause It's happened, and I've learned from it. I'm sure that it could more easily have happened in a 3.4 which is why I drew that assumption.

cheers

kev

[Derek_Bullock]

What surprises me about this thread is the person Kazza01.

This person has been online several times since registering and making their one and only post with the last time online being late today. That post has made a number of statements that have resulted in just about everyone on here arguing with each other.

Kazza01 has been here enough times to have answered some of the questions posed and that concerns me.

I have to ask the question ? ? ? Is Kazza01 really who they say they are or are they someone deliberately producing misinformation?


Derek

[bidkev]

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I have to ask the question ? ? ? Is Kazza01 really who they say they are or are they someone deliberately producing misinformation?

Derek

I don't think it really matters Derek and I don't consider this debate as "arguing"......not compared to newsgroups etc

I think that although they *appear* to have came here to attempt to stop conjecture they've scored an own goal anyway. All they've achieved (in my case anyway and apparently in some others) is to heighten curiosity and cause further examination of the situation and cause us to ask as to whether we have a right to attempt to get at the truth. In all matters apertaining to safety, I think we have a *right* to know, examine and conclude.

I understand that it does appear strange though, that this person is obviously online and yet not responding to a debate that they have inflamed.

kev

[kazza01]

Hello everyone
This is Kazza01 again. I am Danielle’s mum and would like to clarify a few things. I have been keeping an eye all your comments after her Dad left a post.
Gee, you can all get very carried away with just a splash of comment. This is a record of events and facts as calmly recalled to me, not speculation or sensational reporting etc.
· Yes, I did take offence at the comments made about my kid. I don’t recall saying that my kid was a boy either. That was your speculation (being those of you out there in cyber world). Again, he would rather be anything else but ‘large’.
· Yes, I have known Stephen for over 5 years. He is an intelligent man and is well versed on boat safety issues. He is a person who doesn’t do things by half-measures.
· No, I did not say that there was an impending lawsuit. I simply did not want to point the finger and be accused of blaming a manufacturer. That again was speculation on your part.
· No they were not in the bay at night in a 3.4m, it was a 4.3m boat. They had been fishing and were returning home just before dusk.
· Yes, it would appear that the problem was a hull issue. There was a wave that appeared to come side-on to them out of nowhere. As Stephen turned to take the wave head on, the bow of the boat ‘broached’ to one side. Spray Chines were fitted to the hull by the manufacturer on the recommendation of the supplier, and this may have contributed to the situation. With the water now over the gunwales on one side, the spray chines acted like an auger, which further pulled the side down and the boat inevitably flipped. All over with in seconds.
· No, they didn’t get time to grab the life jackets. As the police reported, they were on board, all brand new (the boat had only run for 12 hours). Danielle and Stephen were flung into the water with the boat on top of them. They managed to get out from under the boat and in the flurry of gasping for air and being in shock, discussed what they thought was the best thing to do. Danielle dived twice to try to reach the life jackets, which were in the console storage compartment, but had to come up for more air. Stephen then dived under the boat twice to try, but he couldn’t get to them. The door couldn’t open because of water/air pressure. Whatever. He did manage to feel around and grab the plastic bag containing safety equipment, which contained the flares. Daytime and Nighttime. Again in the shocking situation they were in, they ripped the plastic bag open with their teeth and sadly the night flares sank to the bottom.
· Yes, they did try to scramble on top of the upturned boat. Danielle managed to stand on top for 20 seconds or so, screaming and waving her arms trying to attract the attention of other boats heading back to Wellington Point. Stephen’s strength is very low. He is still on strong immunosuppressant drugs and didn’t manage as well as Danielle did. They talked about staying with the boat or trying to swim.
· Remember also, that Stephen had just pointed out the location of Amity Point in the distance, recalling the recent shark attack, and within 30 seconds they had flipped. Imagine the fear at that point. (No this is not sensationalist reporting, this is FACT)
· Trying to put his last near-death experience behind him, (He is in remission from Leukemia at present) Stephen was again placed in another near-death situation, in his and Danielle’s mind. Fishing and boating have become Stephen’s great loves. He is 23 years young, cannot work because of his illness, cannot go in the sun for long periods of time and suffers from side effects from his transplant and his medications. He spent all his savings, and still owes plenty, on this boat. He also had to rely heavily on Danielle, great for a young man’s ego.
· No it was not insured, he couldn’t really afford it on a Disability Support Pension.
· With the decision made to try to swim, Danielle saw the floating fuel tank and managed to retrieve it. Reluctantly, they left the boat; they honestly felt it was sinking. As soon as they reached the shore, they asked people who were on the foreshore if they could use their mobile phone to raise the alarm with the authorities and their families. The water police never mentioned that people had been out searching for them. In fact, Danielle swears that while making their way back, no boat came anywhere them, nor did they hear any.
· In that 2-hour dog paddle, all they could think of were sharks, family, their run of bad luck and whether they would make it back. They were swallowing fuel and water and were exhausted.
· It wasn’t perfectly flat or like glass. As reported on the VMR Radar, there was a 1.5m swell.
· Upon returning on Friday morning to retrieve the upturned boat, Stephen and his dad asked for help from many ‘boaties’, all but two refused to help.
· At this time, it was also noted that there were several undersized squire frames laying on the boat ramp. Perhaps it is these people who should be held accountable for their actions?
· A family member directed our attention to this website, and upon reading your comments and speculations, wanted to defend her and her fiancée. That is why we joined the site, just to make comment. Think seriously, if that were your child in that situation, would you not want to defend them?
· They are still bruised and battered physically and almost over their ordeal, but still have a long way to go emotionally.

Enough of this speculation I would hope. Thanks to all of you who sent their best wishes. Danielle and Stephen certainly appreciated them.

Karen

[Derek_Bullock]

Karen

Thank you for your comments. I believe that your explanation is appreciated by all concerned..


Derek

[fishin_till_late]

thank you and well said, glad both are safe and sound and best wishes to your family for a quick recovery and hope it doesnt detour them from boating.

jono

[Mad_fisherman]

Karen,
Cheers for your coments and all the best to your daughter/son, for a mother you have quite the knowledge on boating.....

MAD!

[sf17fisherman]

Karen it is a shame that you had to go through all that not only the once but again for people who douted you was who you was and even questioned your motives

What surprises me about this thread is the person Kazza01.

This person has been online several times since registering and making their one and only post with the last time online being late today. That post has made a number of statements that have resulted in just about everyone on here arguing with each other.

Kazza01 has been here enough times to have answered some of the questions posed and that concerns me.

I have to ask the question ? ? ? Is Kazza01 really who they say they are or are they someone deliberately producing misinformation?


Derek

the above and other i think owe you a big sorry for putting you through all this and questioning every action that your dughter and partner took

as you said it is easy for us to be computer chair experts but when the pressure is on many experts turn to spurts under the pressure

well all the best to you and your family kazza and please let us know if you or they need anyhelp who knows we may be able to help them back onto the water to enjoy the fishing

[Mad_fisherman]

sf17fisherman
How’s about you Neck up...... the questions raised were to find out the truth behind what happened. and there is still some murky things about this "Accident" Considering the son stated on the news I Quote " I got the flares but they we day time flares so they were no use" no he did not mention ripping open the bag and them sinking to the bottom as Kazza has stated. Also they came on to the site and started at a group of people having a discussion about an unfortunate accident that occurred. Maybe if she/he had of shed some light on to it from the start instead of having a go and the little piety name calling people may have been receptive.

There is always a cause to and accident they just do not go bingo and happen something is always at fault whether that is the weather or boat or persons.

They have not answered all questions raised on the forum and also people are entitled to find out the truth to try and prevent these things happening again.

Also as I am a few others have stated I was on the water that evening and I can assure you there were not 1.5 meter swells there was lucky to be half a foot of chop if that it was pretty much glassed out and I was about 2klm from where the Accident happen so someone is telling little fibs here.

Yes it is unfortunate that these things happen but people are entitled to the truth.

The difference is people are only saying what many are thinking….

Over this topic we are not going to find the True truth about what happened only some where between oh sh*t I should not have leaned over the side with you and oh it was the hull with a freak wave in less then half a foot chop that flipped us!

MAD!

[sf17fisherman]

sf17fisherman
How’s about you Neck up...... the questions raised were to find out the truth behind what happened. and there is still some murky things about this "Accident" Considering the son stated on the news I Quote " I got the flares but they we day time flares so they were no use" no he did not mention ripping open the bag and them sinking to the bottom as Kazza has stated. Also they came on to the site and started at a group of people having a discussion about an unfortunate accident that occurred. Maybe if she/he had of shed some light on to it from the start instead of having a go and the little piety name calling people may have been receptive.

There is always a cause to and accident they just do not go bingo and happen something is always at fault whether that is the weather or boat or persons.

They have not answered all questions raised on the forum and also people are entitled to find out the truth to try and prevent these things happening again.

Also as I am a few others have stated I was on the water that evening and I can assure you there were not 1.5 meter swells there was lucky to be half a foot of chop if that it was pretty much glassed out and I was about 2klm from where the Accident happen so someone is telling little fibs here.
Yes it is unfortunate that these things happen but people are entitled to the truth.

The difference is people are only saying what many are thinking….

Over this topic we are not going to find the True truth about what happened only some where between oh sh*t I should not have leaned over the side with you and oh it was the hull with a freak wave in less then half a foot chop that flipped us!

MAD!

1 maybe then your questions shouldn't be raised with this poor family but with the media who seems to be informing us with what they want to and not the truth

2they came on here upset at the way they are being made out to be the ones who brought this to them selfs being lables 'large' and questions being asked without any knoloagy being know first

3 maybe it wasn't that big but late at night your stuck in the water with all kinds of thoughts going through your mind i think your allowed to exagrate alittle as for a freak wave well it could of been a wake from a ship 1km away for all we know

[Panda]

Bloody SHIPS around Wello Pt should be banned!

[bidkev]

It's late, and I've spent enough time on this thread already. What is really pissing me off is the implication that folks who are genuine in trying to get at the facts of something that may concern their safety have been implicated as somehow being something other than genuine.

sf17fisherman, I don't normally bring things down to a personal level, but as far as I am concerned, you are banf out of order in your insinuations.

Karen has tried to enlighten us, but that in no way eradicates the fact that her husband attacked folk here who had *genuine* concerns.

Things weren't "raised with the family" they *chose* to get involved by the initial post that attacked the genuine concern of others.

As I said, it is late, and I may, or may not, choose to try and indicate tomorrow just why this has got out of hand and down to a personal level.

People have a right to know.....nothing more....nothing less

kev

[DaveSue_Fishos_Two]

I find it to be a little disappointing that the father whips a few backsides with his post, and throws a considerable amount of fuel on the fire with phrases such as "legal technicalities", and then Mrs Kazza comes back on with even more. Sure I understand and sympathise with the enormous distress that the family suffered as a result of the accident, but primarily the interest shown throughout this thread has been one of truth finding, and future safety awareness. Why could all of that not been presented by the father? I'm sorry Mr and Mrs Kazza, but inmho you both fueled the conjecture and speculation enormously.
I am glad your daughter and her partner are alive and well, and maybe when this all blows over we all might enjoy some contributions to this wonderful forum from your team.

Cheers
Dave

[Mad_fisherman]

[quote author=Mad_fisherman link=1137144821/60#68 date=1137410104]sf17fisherman
How’s about you Neck up...... the questions raised were to find out the truth behind what happened. and there is still some murky things about this "Accident" Considering the son stated on the news I Quote " I got the flares but they we day time flares so they were no use" no he did not mention ripping open the bag and them sinking to the bottom as Kazza has stated. Also they came on to the site and started at a group of people having a discussion about an unfortunate accident that occurred. Maybe if she/he had of shed some light on to it from the start instead of having a go and the little piety name calling people may have been receptive.

There is always a cause to and accident they just do not go bingo and happen something is always at fault whether that is the weather or boat or persons.

They have not answered all questions raised on the forum and also people are entitled to find out the truth to try and prevent these things happening again.

Also as I am a few others have stated I was on the water that evening and I can assure you there were not 1.5 meter swells there was lucky to be half a foot of chop if that it was pretty much glassed out and I was about 2klm from where the Accident happen so someone is telling little fibs here.
Yes it is unfortunate that these things happen but people are entitled to the truth.

The difference is people are only saying what many are thinking….

Over this topic we are not going to find the True truth about what happened only some where between oh sh*t I should not have leaned over the side with you and oh it was the hull with a freak wave in less then half a foot chop that flipped us!

MAD!

1 maybe then your questions shouldn't be raised with this poor family but with the media who seems to be informing us with what they want to and not the truth

2they came on here upset at the way they are being made out to be the ones who brought this to them selfs being lables 'large' and questions being asked without any knoloagy being know first

3 maybe it wasn't that big but late at night your stuck in the water with all kinds of thoughts going through your mind i think your allowed to exagrate alittle as for a freak wave well it could of been a wake from a ship 1km away for all we know[/quote]

sf17fisherman,

As I can see you have not read the post just taken little tit bits out of the post and tried to twist the words.

1 maybe then your questions shouldn't be raised with this poor family but with the media who seems to be informing us with what they want to and not the truth

It was the son who said it on the news. And the questions were not raised until they came to this site claiming how righteous thou aren't. (Well maybe they are who knows)

2they came on here upset at the way they are being made out to be the ones who brought this to them self’s being labels 'large' and questions being asked without any knoloagy being know first

Not one person on this site has said they have brought this upon themselves..... Not ONE. However the story seems to conflict the one out of mummy’s mouth and the one from sonny's mouth to the one out of the media's mouth.

A freak wave well it could have been a wake from a ship 1km away for all we know

Oh I often get freak waves from ships round that area. Let's ban all ships in the bay also why we are at it let's take this thread to the spit and protest with it as evidence to how this new terminal will affect the safety of us fishing in the nerang river..... God are you for real there have only been questions asked on this thread and not one were directed at the family until they jumped on and had there let's say word then they were questioned to which the mother has replied which is good to see however holy it may seem.

As king tin has said this thread was only started so as that we could hopefully better prepare ourselves in safety however it is way out of hand and just turning into a true bitch fight. Which is a waist of time and not the intent when I started the thread.


Some of you people need to read the whole thread and the comments before jumping onto your own little self-righteous band wagons and trying to twist and turn peoples words to fuel your own fights!

Enough said.....

One question can someone who started a thread delete the thread???

Cheers

Piss at the self-righteous wannabe's Mad!

[2DKnBJ]

Have been sitting on the side following this thread since it started for a couple of reasons.
1 Being relatively new to the bay i want to learn as much as i can about the different conditions that it puts up for us boaties.
2 Only being human...I would like to know what really happened

Kazza
The guys and gals on here really only want to know what actually happened.Most of the comments have been made from what they have heard or read from the media and thus the thread goes on the way it has.
As for Stephen i can personally relate to what he is going through..My Brother was diagnosed with leaukemia when he was 22.He is now 31 and still kickin' along
After his transplant he did suffer from severe anxiety attacks and no doubt Stephen will have the same probs.I have sene these come on first hand..Not fun..If Stephen had one of these attacks whilst in the boat who knows what would happen.Before anyone says he shouldn't be out in a boat under these conditions How many have been given a second chance at life...when you have you make the most of it.The next step could be your last.
Maybe one day soon Stephen or Danniell could enlighten us all as to what happened but until then we will not know
Cheers Dazza