I had a dim-witted pommy mate years ago that put 6 fantailed goldfish in a farm dam. We suffered a really bad drought about 3 years later & the dam dried out.
I finished up carting about 5 wheelbarrows full of 6-8 inch goldfish out when it was down to a puddle, pretty good evidence that even the fancy ones will breed in the wild.
Muzz
Hey! Dont put me out to dry, I dont use the bloody things, and yes it has been done before, and its for the same knobhead that wont listen.
But he says the goglie eyed ones, or genetic defected bred ones cant escape the preditors or have the instinct, nor have the speed to get out of the way of larger fish allready in the water system, he goes on to say.
Turtles, eels, waterbirds, bass, and the list when on and on, that these
perticlur goldfish stand a zero% chance of survival.
Ive seen these doppy fish before in petshops, and cant see how they would last 5 minutes. And you can treat the water in fishtanks for fungle, and bacterial problems, so I dont know were you got that from.
And the petshops owners have a Quarantine peroid before they go on sale to the public, just for that reason. Also the goldfish in Question,
would not survive in some of our waterways, simply because of the pollution and the oxygen levels, and he goes on to say, once their
on the hook, they die within 15 to 30 minutes, so he doesnt see what all the fuss is about.
In my words, they banned the use of goldfish, because some people cant define the difference between the threatening and non threatening
spieces.
And what Ive found out so far, only a very small number can adaped
to wild conditions, the rest would just simply die.
Personaly I would take the chance for the obvious reasons.
signed tunaman
One rabbit. There in a dam, thats just like a big fishtank, no predators.
He uses them in the murray river NSW, I said to him, thats probably
how the crap got in there in the first place.
Had no comment for that one.
signed tunaman
Originally Posted by tunaman
Hey! Dont put me out to dry, I dont use the bloody things, and yes it has been done before, and its for the same knobhead that wont listen.
But he says the goglie eyed ones, or genetic defected bred ones cant escape the preditors or have the instinct, nor have the speed to get out of the way of larger fish allready in the water system, he goes on to say.
Turtles, eels, waterbirds, bass, and the list when on and on, that these
perticlur goldfish stand a zero% chance of survival.
Ive seen these doppy fish before in petshops, and cant see how they would last 5 minutes. And you can treat the water in fishtanks for fungle, and bacterial problems, so I dont know were you got that from.And the petshops owners have a Quarantine peroid before they go on sale to the public, just for that reason. Also the goldfish in Question,
would not survive in some of our waterways, simply because of the pollution and the oxygen levels, and he goes on to say, once their
on the hook, they die within 15 to 30 minutes, so he doesnt see what all the fuss is about.
In my words, they banned the use of goldfish, because some people cant define the difference between the threatening and non threatening
spieces.
And what Ive found out so far, only a very small number can adaped
to wild conditions, the rest would just simply die.
Personaly I would take the chance for the obvious reasons.
signed tunaman
Hi again Tunaman, it is good that you are aware of the fact that goldfish are not a good idea to use as bait. Firstly with regards to tank treating for bacterial and fungal infections on fish, yes they can be treated with medications but it is like us when we get a flu or viral infection. We get over it with the aid of medication however all it means is our bodies will develop an immunity to that strain of virus. In the case of fish they do exactly that but they can still carry these deseases which other fish have no immunity to so you run the risk of introducing diseases to other fish. Being a former aquarist it was not uncommon to buy a healthy fish from a shop and introduce it into the home aquarium and the next day find everything rolling over due to a severe infection which has effected everything except for the fish you put in there.
As for adaptability of goldfish they are indeed a very hardy species and breed rapidly. Whether or not they will survive is not up to us to decide as the government have made the laws up to minimize the risk and if you get caught they will slap hefty fines for using them dead or alive. Just my 2 cents.
Poodroo
He who aims at nothing is sure to hit it.
Hey Cool, it would be like having a self swimming Gold Bomber lure what a great idea, sign me up!!!! Hey Tuna Man, let him know I can swap him some Slider Turtles, all the mouth breeders and carp he can handle and just to sweeten the deal I'll chuck in some cane toads and hares completely free of charge. Do the goose a favour and show him how to collect bardi grubs, scrub worms, shrimp, yabbies and livies before he does something we all live to regret. >
Bottom line is they are Carp and it is against the law to transport Carp to a waterway,use them for bait or release them into a waterway dead or alive,they actualy should be disposed of well away from the bank.
i'm sure chopjr had a say in this very subject a while back,,,,,,,,,,,,
is this the same """"mate"""" from townsville who uses goldies for barra?????????
mmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,i wonder tunaman,,,, i've seen you on this very subject only a week or so back,,,, remember this query,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
tunaman
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Re: odd live baits
« Reply #21 - on: 15. Sep 2006 at 17:26 »
Goldfish. I never thought of that one. But now thinking about it, I think it would work like a charm, and with all those frilly fins,and golden colour, it would sit like a shot duck. But the petshop guy might get a bit sus.
Cats. mmmmm, no tunaman stayaway.
signed tunaman
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can it get any better??????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgG_TxEPaQE
Tunaman,
I understand the point about the dam having no predators, but these were fantails with tails the lenght of their body ( 6-8inches), no googlie eyes.
I dont think anyone is having a go at you, I think you have pursued it for the right reason. If anyone deserves a steel-cap in the freckle it's your mate, no matter how he tries to justify his actions, eg, they'll just die or get eaten, IT'S ILLEGAL & stupid.
Perhaps you could show him this thread, he may see the error in his ways.
Muzz
youre mates a goose tunaman
some solid words from you and the steel cap intro to finish off would be applicable for this.
its clearly against the law made to protect the waterways for us
mpo
regards Maxi
Hey Maxi,
Hows all the carp in creek down from the koi farm at the castle????
How the hell do they get away with that???????
Muzz
What Poodroo says. Bacteria is present in all waters. Fish become susceptible when they are handled or netted. You can take a "perfectly" quarantined, and supposedly healthy fish home from an aquarist and within 24 to 48 hrs it could be showing signs of white spot or fungus. Once the slime is removed from their flesh via netting or handling and they are subject to stress they have their immunity removed. A simple drop in temp, or change of PH can even trigger white spot which is why you should not only equalise the temp in the bag with that of the tank, you should also introduce the tank water slowly into the bag.
I am not saying that live baiting is likely to introduce white spot as the fish wouldn't live long enough to show signs of that, but it could in some way be a "carrier" and even more likely, the water it is transported in would carry the dormant strain of white spot.
With regard to their abilty to breed (and they can hybridise with common carp thereby exacerbating our current stocks of noxious fish), I stocked my garden pond with 10 fish 18 months ago and depite the local heron and the fact that I have given over 30 away, I still have a population of over 100 and that's only counting those over 2" in length. If anything, I consider goldfish to be more noxious than common carp. Consider the size of my pond and the fact that the goldfish spawn is easily found and eaten by the parents, then consider the size of a dam and how much harder it would be for the spawn to be found and how much more likely the fish are to in turn grow to maturity faster and breed more prolifically.
FWIW and at the risk of attracting hassle from those who have been in the industry, quarantine is next to useless if the fish are bagged up in the water from the quarantine tank and that water is then emptied into the display tank. All the quarantine has done is remove the white spot from the fish and not affected the dormant spores in the water. I stand corrected if some other medication is now in use since I was in the trade. The only way to be sure is to continue to medicate even after the fish looks "cured" in order to kill the spores as they hatch to re-start the cycle. That is, you need to buy from an aquarist who medicates almost continually not just in the quarantine tank...the danger then, as Poodroo has ponted out, is that fish can become immune to the medication, but at least it kills the spores as they hatch. Put simply, whenever you buy a fish, it is likely that the water from the quarantine tank will have found it's way into the display tank.
kev
We have both proved that the little suckers will happily breed, given the chance, even with the consideration of natural diseases.
Admittedly, the chances of a fish surviving after being used as a live bait are slim, but not impossible. Who knows if this person also just chucks his last couple when he is finished, "they will die anyway".
If they are that susceptable to natural disease & natural predators how the hell did the few that were introuced so many years ago become the problem that they are today????????
Just my opinion.
Muzz
Well fellas, as Ive pointed out, hes not the sharpest tool in the shed,
But thats a good idea about printing this out just to show him that if he mentions it out loud, or doesnt stop altogether, he will cop some heavy heat from both the law, and other responceable rec fishos.
But two things he pointed out is, 1. There allready crap were he fishes,
and 2 the goglie eyed ones pose no threat, to his logic.
And Iam interested my self in what members have to say about this.
and I wonder how many other people out there that might be doing this.
He states that the method reaps a high reward, and I said, but at what
cost!
He thinks like the drink driver,'' Ill never get caught.''
One rabbit. I agree 100% its the what if that bothers me.
signed tunaman
Kingtin, poodroo, what a great read, Maybe I should offer him member
ship on AUSFISH just for a educational chat.
You never no, he might just learn something.
Thanks everyone.
signed tunaman
yeah one rabbit
ive seen some whoppers below the dam wall also at least 60 cm big glowing orange fish
cheers maxi
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