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    Running a motor with no water?

    My motor starts fine most of the time at the start of a trip (ie first pull just like it should) but sometimes it can take 5 or 6 pulls to get it going.

    This is no drama except when in a fast moving body of water.

    So recently i have been starting the motor while the boat is still on the trailer just to make sure it will fire.

    This running of the motor with no water lasts no more that 2 seconds.

    Am i doing any damage to the impellor or other components?

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    Ausfish Bronze Member
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    Feb 2004

    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Have a chat to Burley Boy. I think he's learned by his mistake!

    NO WATER! NO IMPELLER!!

    Tezza.

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Yeh I responded to that thread with my own little story.

    Just wanted total confirmation that it will harm the impellor.

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    NQCairns
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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Yes damage will result.
    If you must do it, Start your motor at home on the muffs before leaving then (if not a long trip) you should be fine to see if it kicks at the ramp.
    I can only assume this is what all the boofheads (not you Ba your on ausfish )have allready done when they start their rig up just before launching, big rigs too! could be just to make a person jump! seen it a hundred times at the ramp, still confounds me.

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    And 2 seconds running with a dry impellor is about all things need to stuff up especially considering that between trips things dry out and when one hits the starter/cord it gives the impellor a real quick hurry up in a dry housing from a standing start.

    In the water it's not that bad as generally its had time to fill the leg housing with water etc. But even so hitting the key is instant motion.


    Cheers, Kerry.

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    wacco_fozzy
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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Saw a guy recently pull up at the ramp at Kings Beach Caloundra that opens into the surf swell on the headland with a tinny on a trailer.

    He backed up, dropped the boat off onto the concrete and after parking the car, started the motor while still dry and waited for a good couple of minutes until the right swell arrived and he pushed the thing into the water, jumped in and took off.

    From what you are saying I'd say he will have a maintenance problem soo.

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Hi Wacco
    yeh, he is gana have a real prob one day, doesnt take to long for the rings to grab in the pistons.
    cheers
    blaze

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    Ausfish Bronze Member
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    Jan 2005

    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Hey Peoples,

    New here, but a quick question.

    How long should one leave teh fresh water going through the engine after a days trip?

    I have an Evenrude 50Hp 72 Model, i ust want to make sure i am giving it the clean out it needs.

    Cheers,

    David.

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Hi David
    Firstly welcome
    I reckon about 10 minutes is the go
    cheers
    blaze

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    Ausfish Bronze Member
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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    [smiley=2thumbsup.gif]

    Ta Blaze

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Thanks for the reply guys.

    I have done it maybe 4 times and thought i had better check before continuing.

    Am due to check the impellor anyway so will see if there is any damage.

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    I was once told by an OB mechanic to run it for 15 mins. What I do is flush the motor as the first job, then start unpacking the boat and cleaning the fishing gear etc. As this usually takes about 15 mins it works out perfect. Salt will build up quite considerably inside the water jacket in very tight places especially with short runs and idling near the ramp etc and it needs this amount of time with heat and fresh to make sure you totally eliminate it (so I have been informed). Hear a lot of peoples around hear who only flush for about 60 secs, reckon they will have probs down the track.
    One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonized those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce and canonized those who complain.
    Thomas Sowell

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    15 minutes is way to long for an outboard to be idling over especially under domestic water pressure.

    As for idling at the ramp this can be very helpfull to an engine (both 4S & 2S) that has just done a run through crapy water as the amount of water any outboard injests is quite considerable and idling at the ramp can in many ways help burn off any unwanted mositure as well as letting oil settle where it's most needed as immediately shutting an outboard down simply lets the water settle where it's really not meant to be.

    Really the worst thing one can do is roar up to the ramp and shut an outboard down and then let it cool down as one will never get the operating temp back up at home idling on a hose and the last thing one wants to do is rev the guts out of an outboard while on a hose.

    Preventative maintenance is not something that simply occurs when one gets home.

    As for the question? with consideration to how the outboard is shutdown anything more than 5-6 minutes is probably a waste of time and really does nothing for the overall health of the engine and for those 5-6 minutes certainly nothing above idle 9especially 2S's) , one really wants the oil to settle not blasted out the exhaust.

    Cheers, Kerry.

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    Ausfish Bronze Member
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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dignity
    I was once told by an OB mechanic to run it for 15 mins. What I do is flush the motor as the first job, then start unpacking the boat and cleaning the fishing gear etc. As this usually takes about 15 mins it works out perfect. Salt will build up quite considerably inside the water jacket in very tight places especially with short runs and idling near the ramp etc and it needs this amount of time with heat and fresh to make sure you totally eliminate it (so I have been informed). Hear a lot of peoples around hear who only flush for about 60 secs, reckon they will have probs down the track.
    Hello Dignity,

    My problem is, my Engine is bloody loud. Those old 2 strokes make alot of noise and running it for 15 minutes would probably make the neighbours see red.

    It is a pitty there are no mufflers available to put on them to reduce the level of noise.

    One last question; Is it best to just let it go on idle or does it make a difference to rev it up alittle?

    Cheers,

    David.

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    Re: Running a motor with no water?

    I'd say the problem is the dried salt clogging things up. Thus the quicker you rinse the motor after use the better and I suppose it stands to reason that if its had time to dry then you must rinse it for longer to get it clean. There are a few holes that are small and readily clog up and one of those is the tell tale hole so if you keep clogging your tell tale you know that you've got a fair bit of gunk in there.
    I had a good look when I stripped mine down and I must say after the clean up I could excavate with the tell tale.

    2 secs I wouldn't know but with the speed the impellor hits and the friction involved your impellor must loose its edge after any more than 10 secs, I'd not do it again at all as even if it keeps workin bits of it will break off and clog the system as mine did.

    Kerry seems to know what he's talking about so I'll start by letting mine idle a bit at the ramp although I'm only 2 minutes from the ramp.

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