are 2 stroke outboards still a viable option .
no one seems to be able to agree on this.
[eg. if i was to place a 175 2 stroke on a 625 boat would it be the right decision.
cheers
troy
are 2 stroke outboards still a viable option .
no one seems to be able to agree on this.
[eg. if i was to place a 175 2 stroke on a 625 boat would it be the right decision.
cheers
troy
Depends on what's important to you.
Heaps of grunt, , cheaper to buy, oil bills, lower service costs, higher fuel bills, louder, oil smell, smoke, poorer resale - all staples of the carb 2 stroke. Injected 2 strokes are better for fuel, oil, smoke and smell and noise and resale - But cost to buy goes up. 4 strokes are a step up again except for service costs.
You've gotta ask yourself - do I buy the biggest boat I can afford and put a carby 2 stroke on it and live with the "quirks" this entails, or do you downsize the hull a bit and get a EFI 2 stroke or 4 stroke? I don't think there is such a thing as a "viable" outboard - they're all just different - and cost different $$$ accordingly. Get out and try as many as you can of each type and when you narrow it to a few specific models ask owners on here to comment.
Just don't mention the 2 ft chop
outsider
how do 4 strokes go in a 2 foot chop.
no seriously mate i will take your advise on board.
just did not realise how expensive it costs to set up a new boat.
cheers troy
2 strokes ??? funny thing someone (who should know) mentioned the other day was the Gov boats are going back to 2 strokes as replacements are becoming due ???
Might have to take more specific notice of Gov boats from now on to see which way they are actually going. From the sounds of it all to do with costs (as gov generally is) ????
As for 175's (especially 2S's), well they have generally been been between this one and that one, a detuned 200 or an over stressed 150 but then some 200's are also over stressed 150's
Cheers, Kerry.
The burden of choice...aarr..
Why not go with the "Outboard of the Year"
having a 4 stroke is like having air conditioning in a car .... You don't realise you need it until you finally have it .... but once you do you would never go back
Mark
p.s now sits back and waits for kerry to point out that this statement is load of emotive rubbish, with no useful factual information
Can definately see the advantages after having bought a 2stroke. 120l of fuel does not last long pushing a 115 2 stroke hard, and you notice how quiet it is 5minutes after you shut it off and the ringing in your ears stops. Still it all comes down to budget. Was about 3 grand difference to 4s when I bought mine. The cost of fuel did not concern me at the time but the lack of range on a 120l tank caught me by surprise.
... well now wouldn't like to disappoint you hey [smiley=2thumbsup.gif], gee some of you lot appear to be really stuck in this pathetic sniping rutOriginally Posted by SeaSaw
....p.s now sits back and waits for kerry to point out that this statement is load of emotive rubbish, with no useful factual information
Cheers, Kerry.
i don't seem to have an issue with smoke or smell with my merc 115 2 stroke - maybe I'm lucky. The cost of fuel doesn't worry me, but I would love more range.
I haven't been on a boat with 4S, but friends have and they say brilliant that you can still talk while travelling (quiet). I like to talk, so noise combined with range I would most likely look at a 4S next time.
Although I do like the sound of a 2 stroke - just on longer trips not saying anything to passengers is something I haven't figured out whether is good or bad.
I wonder what they would say if you could hear them cooky? Perhaps you should stick to a 2 stroke in that case.
On a serious topic, I am also in a dilemma as what I should match to a 420 quintrex explorer. Looked at Yamaha, Suzuki and honda. Like the idea of a 4 stroke however the price is appreciably more than the Yamaha 2 stroke. Anyone have any thoughts on the Yamaha 2 stroke 2 cylinder single carb model. First thoughts are that the 3 cylinder3 carb maybe a better option fuel and reliability. Thoughts ??? ???
i still like the 2strokes on the smaller tinnys (up to about 40hp) and mullet i would definty say the tripple carbs is a much better and smother donk than the cv range
however even thought i don't have one yet i would say the 4 bangers are truly the best in the larger sizes and i can't wait till i either repower mine or buy another boat either way a 4 banger will be driveing me
thanks "ya monkey"I wonder what they would say if you could hear them cooky? Perhaps you should stick to a 2 stroke in that case.
from the little I know the 3 cylinder yammies always get a good wrap and for that reason they seem to have better resale. *
*i would like to re-iterate that I know nothing, so I will not be held responsible for any advice given, the above is only my personal opinion only.
Kerry,
In reference to your comment re government vessels going back to 2 strokes, I can definitely confirm that one government agency on the Gold Coast is very unhappy with their change to 4 bangers and are seriously looking at going back to 2 strokes. Major gripes seem to be with the high cost of servicing, the lack of power down low and the added weight. Resale has not been what they were expecting either.
So I guess their opinion comes from the fact that they can't justify the extra $20000 outlay because they dont save that over the 2yr life of the engine in fuel.
Its an interesting debate though.
Steve
Steve,
Yes as usual the 2S v 4S "discussion" is always interesting to say the least, and really any issues (of any kind) with 4S's (outboards), well they really haven't been around long enough yet and there is this prediction that as 4S's get on in life then one might see what the real service issues/costs are. The prediction is not good from those that know anything about them as right now there are very few issues but as with all things generally being new etc but down the track, well ???
Yes it would appear there will be a few more ex Gov 4S's and really this is not a good sign for the 4S brigade, regardless of the reasons as this tends to reflect the initial knee jerk reaction to 4S's followed by reality but of course depends largely on the application.
But if the Gov can't keep the costs in the black then there's absolutely no way the average boatie can based on average type use, so that sort of shoots the economy/cost/justification thing in the foot.
Actually shoots a lot of things in the foot.
Cheers, Kerry.
i guess it also depends on the useage too doesn't it like there is bugger all diffrence when either is WOT but then again when trolling or idleing around i dout anyone could honestly say that the four strokes chew as much as their two stroke counterparts
but yeh a guess two years would be hard to see any saveing it is only really after some years that the true saveing will be made also depends on the service costs too after all many motor mechenics out there once they hear the word goverment fleet they automaticly put their prices up more than normal
all the comrcail fleet down here (bloody huge that it is) have gone to the four bangers and still have them and the other have deisel sterndrives and many of them are now looking at the volvo 4 stroke sterndrives
i know in my case owning a 2stroke and haveing mates with bigger 4 strokes i know i will save plenty of $$$ just in the trolling
at the moment i use rougly about $160 in fule for a full days troll (4:30-5:00am till about 4pm) while my mates with yamaha 150's do a full day for about $60 now saveing only say $100 for say five trips thats $500 alone now i only need to worrie about fule as my serviceing is done free (thanks Hollis marine shop 9 Port Maquaire maina 02 6583 3349)
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