new boat -expensive trailer surprise

[walruss]

The overall package exceeding 2 tonnes is not uncommon. from memeory the BMT package for a 625 was given a weight of approx 1980kg. 20 kg under the "limit". You will exceeed this limit with just fuel. It is the dealers obligation to supply you with a trailer that is legally capable of carrying the boat that they have quoted you a price on. If you allow for the weight that from the boat and trailer is placed onto the car via the towball, this is generally in the 120-150kg range is lowers the BMT weight. That is what a lot of dealers are allowing for in their calculations. That the specified weight of the BMT is going to be less due to the weight transferred onto the car.
Given the dealer has given you a written quote for supply of that boat and trailer it may pay to seek some legal advice about who is going to pay for the brakes.
Whilst the extra money is not pleasant the braking system will be much safer and of a great benefit.
Good luck

Russ

[jimbo59]

Believe me elec/hyd brakes arnt that good,oh they work ok but the pistons seize easily and when u havnt used the rig for a couple of weeks u hit the brakes and one or two just stick on and over heat your disc stuffing your wheel bearings. i still believe dual machanical is the best,anyway even if it comes off the ball, the chains should pull her up.Yep dual mechanical with a bonnet strut for the breakaway.

[troy]

thanks for the replies,i contacted cruise craft today and the foam plus modifications has increased the weight of the boat by over 200 kgs.
so to be legal i have to wear it .
thanks troy

[David_P]

There is an excellent mag on the topic of trailers and towing available at the moment. I can't put my hand on my copy (God knows what I've done with it), but I think it is called "Trailers and Towing" by the Seamedia Group, ie the guys that built the Salty 27. Have a look at your newsagent and your sure to find it.

They go into great detail on different trailer set ups and the legalities. I'm sure they said that some will try to justify the weight of the BMT by weighing it coupled to the tow vehicle, therefore removing the towball load from the BMT weight. They go on to state that if you happen to get pulled up by the scalies, then they will disconnect the BMT from the tow vehicle and weigh the BMT on it's own.

So, if you are relying on this method, then beware. Another way to look at this too is that you may never get caught by the scalies, but should the unthinkable happen and you're involved in an accident when towing, and your BMT is not legal, then be prepared to not get any insurance cover. Should someone be injured, then be really worried!!! Not worth the risk as far as I'm concerned.

So far as the comment of the brakes seizing up, well I've had no problems with this (yet). I try and hose my trailer and brakes after each dunking (always submerge to drive on / off), and if I can't do this then I give the callipers and disks a good spray of Inox. My trailer cost me $8400, so I want to look after it as much as possible. As I said earlier, I find the sens-a-brakes pull me up in a flash.

Dave.

[Heath]

Just what you don't need Troy.
But! Was at the CC factory last week and saw a BEAUTIFULL 625 Outsider having the final touches put on her, only one in the shop, so my guess is it's your baby. You'll be more than happy with her. I got to go back later this week, I'll sneak a couple of pictures for you if I get the chance

[boatboy50]

Hey Troy,

Dont ware it. Any salesman worth being in the industry should know that boat weighs over two tonne in running trim. Even without foam that boat would be over two tonne with fuel.

I will quote from F&B magazine issue #106, a test on this model Cruise Craft. "This rig is reported to weigh in the vacinity of 2100kg. This weight places the boat in the bracket where the boat requires a break away braking system."

The original quotation was wrong in the first place, which you should not have been expected to realise, that is the salesman or his bosses job. They should have to wear the cost. If not all at least some. I personally would contact Fair Trading to see where you stand, and what their obligations are.

Im sure it can be worked out between the two parties happily, but make sure you know the regs. Any boat over two tonne requires an electric/hydraulic breakaway system fitted to at least two wheels, and without it the boat is uninsured on its trailer and illegal.

Did you buy from Wynnum Marine? I thought their salesman would have known better.

Dont get taken for a ride Troy, sort them out. We don't need these sorts of mishaps in the industry.

Regards
Darren

[reefraider_II]

Is it worth maybe asking the dealer to meet half way??? might save you some$-marty

[PinHead]

This post shows that buying a package from a dealer can be better in the long run..the dealer is liable for ALL the equipment supplied.

[troy]

i might be a bit to trusting here but i do not think that the dealer is trying to get more money out of me as he is suppling me with the dearer trailer even though i am paying.
as far as refusing to pay the extra as some have said a quote is a quote but i have a feeling they would tell me to take a hike and sell it to someone else.
and if i am to trusting then the good deal i thought i did is not that smart after all.
very confused even though paying the extra is probably the right thing to do it still leaves you feeling funny as i just overspent and went for the 175 hpdi instead of the 175 with carbies.
anyway thanks everyone.
troy

[Heath]

Troy,
out of interest, has the dealer wrote down the model of the trailer on your quote?

[troy]

hi heath no mate no model number just the brand of trailer.
cheers
troy

[westie]

If you are not happy then CANCLE the boat,
If what you are telling us is true, they made the decision to change the specs after the deal was signed for, then they need to bare the aditional cost.
YOU are not the one that put the package together the guy that signed you up should have been aware it was close to the weight.
Was there any mention when signing up of the extra weight or foam. These dealers should have been told way in advance that the new models from X date will have this added weight and the cost will be greater or stay at the same price along with all the weight specs.
I would get in touch with CC and find out when they informed the dealer in writing of the changes.

Even ask another dealer the same questions to see if that is the case as you may find out that a update regarging the 625 was sent out months earlier, if so they made the mistake NOT YOU.

ONLY YOU know what they said at the time of sale and IF you think you are right then stand up for it.
It is YOUR money and peice of mind at the end of the day.

I Have been ripped off like a lot out there the differance is if someone made a mistake be it Him,You,Them,They or all need to be responsable for there actions.

It is all so easy for the dealer to say " Oh yes he is no longer with us,he cost US a lot of money, this gentleman will look after you now". I deal with the owner and the owner ONLY in any purchase i do, involving large amounts of money because the buck stop there. If the owner won't deal with you then go elsewhere, THEY will change there minds.

[Heath]

hi heath no mate no model number just the brand of trailer.
cheers
troy

Mate if that is the case you have not a worry in the world. He is obliged to provide a trailer that is legal to carry the boat. Simple. If the model number was written on the quote then there is no issue that the trailer as specified in the quote was unsuitable unbeknown to the salesman.

By them not noting the trailer model number on the quote, you are well within your right to expect a trailer that is legally capable of carrying your boat.

Lets face it, who's going to buy a boat fully expecting the trailer that is provided with it does not meet minimum standards.

I would contact the ACCC and explain situation & get advise from them before fronting the dealer. I reckon at the moment the dealer is trying bluff his way out of footing the bill for his own mistake.

Rising Sun Marine is where you bought it?

[Wxam]

When is a stand going to be made against dealers and trailer manufacturers who continually play this stupid game of under stating the bleeding obvious.

If a trailer sold with a boat can not meet the working weight of the combination then it is bloody illegal. It is no good the dealer taking an empty boat with no fuel, no nothing to a weigh bridge and saying because it is 20kg under the trailer it is legal, that is absolute rubbish. If a dealer or manufacturer does not have the gall to weigh the rig in working/road trim and that includes full tanks and all the other things that a person will require to take in the boat with some margin of safety then they need to be taken to the cleaners.

[mal-laurie]

heath is right . ihave owned retail stores for the past 12 years and if this retailer is worth his salt he will do the right thing.
and give you a legal trailer for your new boat.

if the contract says what you say. go in hard and get the right stuff.

if they wont do it. walk away from the deal and order another one elsewhere.

cheers mal