does anyone know the legal carrying capacities of trailers.
i am getting a new 625 cruise craft outsider built and i was originally quoted 4200.00 for a tandem trailer.
today cruise craft e.mailed the dealership that because they added structural foam the trailer would be illegal.
now i need a trailer with electric brakes which will set me back another 2700.00.
does anyone know whether this is correct as the whole rig is over 2.2 tonnes
thanks troy
i think that the dealer should honour the original quote for the package.
Wow, that seems so high
is that a boat, motor and trailer weight and what was the weight before the 'structuraly foam' was added?
Personally, I think this sort of thing is outside the dealers control ie product change by the manufacturer, however sympathise with you over the dielima it has obvisiousy put you in.
How to get through it? Sorry NFI.
Steve
Quote is a Quote....
They still get there large sales commission.
Read your sales contract as this is your guide.
I wish you luck
bret
the dealership is honoring the quote it is cruise craft that has contacted them and are advising them that it is now not legal.
they will still sell me the original trailer but they advise me to go by the regulations and i know members have a lot bigger boats than mine hence why i am asking for advise.
troy
Troy - that is a hard break to get right at the end of the deal. I wouldn't be real happy either BUT those 625 Outsiders must go very close to requiring electric brakes when all fuelled up and ready to fish. How much extra weight is there when the flotation foam is put in ?
Cheers
Greg
With such a nice boat Troy I reckon I'd go the brakes option if it was anywhere near borderline, both from a safety point of view and protecting the investment.
Maybe it will ease the pain a little if you consider the brakes as lifetime insurance
I guess worse still could be if you go without the brakes and the boys in blue get you at a weighbridge... I imagine it would be even more expensive to upgrade the trailer after the initial purchase? ???
Cheers,
Tony
Troy,
I'd suggest you will be so close to the limit that it would be wise to go the hydraulic breaking option (ie break away brakes). I wouldn't be surprised that once fuelled and geared up for a trip that you go over the limit, which I think for Qld is 2000kg.
I have sens-a-brakes fitted to my trailer and they are great. The first thing I did when I picked up my boat new was to put it over a weigh bridge and it came in at 2380kg. I reckon once I'm fuelled, watered, iced and geared up for a few days away I'm pushing close to 2900kg. The brakes I have, have no trouble pulling me up when loaded.
Dave.
Troy, unless your 625 is the very first one of the rank, in regard to the new foam being put in, i would find it very annoying that Cruise Craft, did'nt bother contacting their dealers/you before now and let them/you know of the weight penalties for the foam. These boats have been out for a fair while now. All the brochures that i've seen on CC give BMT, which is a very rough guide. I don't know why they don't give you the hull weight like other manufacturers. In this day and age i would'nt think it would be to hard to weigh a basic hull with basic fittings.
Be a shame to have an accident towin ya nice new cruisycraft around only to be wiped by the insurance company for not comforming to the regulations
Troy, you are really asking us if you should take the risk are you not??
"NO" Get the breakaway system
Garry
Garry
Retired Honda Master Tech
Troy something is amiss 2lb/foot3 foam weighs close to 36kg/m3 a typicaly fitted out 18 foot boat needs around .7 m3 to float it. Even assuming your boat would need twice this and at a stretch they used 4lb/foot3 foam they may have been cutting the original trailers max load very fine.
I would ask some questions like were they going to sell you a boat on a trailer you couldnt legally tow after you fueled up unless the bag of bait traveled in the car? or is it now because of the foam the above senario ??? therefore the need for expensive brakes. Foam could put you over the edge but you would have had to have been balancing already. I suspect you needed them all along, who knows it could be the dealers 'come in spinner'
Honest +-100kg weight estimates from manufacurers would actually help the industry. If you do need the brakes buy them aftermarket and fit them yourself couln't be too hard (I guess?) gotta be cheaper.nq
As for the original quote, the dealer should upgrade you free of charge. Otherwise they would have supplied you an illegal product. Sure they may not have known although they should have the boat specs on them and in my opinion it's them that should take it up with the manufacturer as to who foots the bill on this one.
I think you should have the electric brakes option but the dealer or manufacturer should pay the difference as it was their mistake, not yours. Let us know how it pans out.
Cheers, Mark.
troyOriginally Posted by troy
dealer can not supplied you an illegal product
Quote is a Quote.... i would not pay .if they have to fit brakes they have to do so
good luck and wish you best with new boat
cheers no_luck
Troy,
Doesn't add up if you ask me, sounds like the dealer was quoting low on the trailer to get your business, and then hitting you with extras .... maybe I am just suspicious ???
Also make sure you are not getting electric brakes (i.e caravan brakes) because they are useless in salt water. You need a good set of electric/hydraulic brakes like the ones suggested by David_P. For the extra cost quoted it sounds like electric/hydralic, but best to be sure.
Cheers,
Mark
Scrimping on the trailer is something that dealers are known for,my Cruise Craft was twelve months old before I read an article on the topic,a trip to the weigh bridge showed mine was 485 kgs over the limit for the trailer it was on,I contacted Cruise Craft and they explained to me that they give the dealer the specs and he turns up with the trailer they lift it on and it's gone,they informed me of my rights and were very keen to hear of the outcome,I took it back to the dealer with the weigh bridge certificate and apart from a few sour looks from the boss it was fixed without any argument free of charge.In my opinion a quote is a quote,I would be holding them to it and if they scrimp on the trailer get it weighed and make them fix it.
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