Reply With Quotegenerally i would say it should be our own choose, how uncomftable wearing pfd's whilst fishing in summer be pretty bloody hot aswell, and if a parent think there kid might jump out the side whilst going along then crack a pfd on him
cheers dave
As I posted earlier the NMSC is looking at making the wearing of PFDs compulsory.
Have your say at this poll and I will send them a message advising them of the poll at this site.
Who knows they may take the time to have a look
I know it is probably like peeing into the wind as far as trying to sway bureacrats when they have their minds intent on bringing in some potentially over zealous legislation but who knows.
Heres your chance to have your say
Cheers
Mangomick
THE POOR MAN ALWAYS PAYS TWICE
generally i would say it should be our own choose, how uncomftable wearing pfd's whilst fishing in summer be pretty bloody hot aswell, and if a parent think there kid might jump out the side whilst going along then crack a pfd on him
cheers dave
Skippers discretion - was my vote, but further to that is at the passengers discretion.
I still think all kids should wear one when under way, thats the rule in my boat and has been for a while.
Cheers
James
The old style PFD's are big and bulkly and really a bit too much for all the time.
Yes for crossing a bar, and yes when things are getting a bit hairy.
But I would like to see those slim line ones which the pro's wear get a bit cheaper for using all the time.
I would wear those types whenever in the boat and and also load up with the larger PFD when crossing the bars etc.
You say fish, I say yes please.
I agree duyz
I think most people have enough common sense to realise to stick a pfd on or not. And most pfd's are really bulkey. And unless your rich getting 4 or more of those pfd's that skiers use and stuff is quiet a bit of money outa the back pocket.
Horses for causes in my books.
Also saying that we always wear one whilst crossing bars etc and kids under 14 wear one like it or not whilst we're motoring and whilst in QLD kids under 12 have one on all times full stop..
commonsense should be part of it.
the under 4.7mt rule for under 12 is rediculous,i would prefer have my daughter in my 4.3 webster without a jacket, than a lot of the 4.7 that are around.the boat length has bugger all to do with how safe the boat is. i don't believe anyone should be forced to wear one in rivers, even under 12yo. as the rule is now, if you are under 12 you must wear one unless anchored or tied up somewhere. it is illegal to drift without one. I don't object to them wearing one while actually under way, but if you mostly drift, like i do then it makes for a pretty uncomfortable day for the kids.
should be compulsory for bar crossings, & rough seas for all size boats.
no such thing as a one size fits all..
I love how this is all geared toward the recreational boatie, what about ferries, cruise ships etc. they never have drownings do they?(did I hear you say "A Titanic proportion of historical drownings"...never) If preventing/reducing the risk of drowning is the ultimate goal with the NMSC as stated in their discussion paper then it should apply to ferries and cruise ships also.....
Lets see them tackle that one...Just wouldn't happen!
Personally - I think the current QLD regs are sufficient along with better education and obviously at the Skippers discretion, it's all about "Duty of Care", which applies in all situations; however, it is open to interpretation.
The response re: ferries and cruise ships is that by law they must carry life rings and lifeboats.
The inflatable PFD1's are not big and bulky..I cannot see the problem with them.
As for kids wearing them...If you are not in favor of kids wearing them at all times in a moving boat then I doubt you pleace much value on their life...do you make them wear seatbelts or not?
No one wants a tragedy but the bloody things do happen and quickly and without warning.
I only allow 1 child at a time on my boat as I only have one kid's size PFD1...and that child MUST have that PFD on before I even untie the boat. If the crap does come down I want to know that the child has a good chance of surviving same.
As a percentage of what people spend on the whole boating package and running costs,are kids good lifejackets really so expensive?
And the PDF will last for years.
I guess it just depends on your priority.
Regards
Seabug
Pinhead - realise that, the comment was in jest as to the actual wearing of PFD's on these vessels. They must also carry a PFD for all passengers.
I also agree that cost should not be a factor, we only have one life, no dress rehearsals.
Many people forget or don't know that the inflatable PFD's must be inspected annually and the air cartridge replaced annually. Approximately $25 per inflatable PFD.
In my boat:
1/ Crossing a bar everyone dons a life jacket
2/ Children Wear them at all times.
3/ If conditions get rough I ask all to don a lifejcaket when we are underway
4/ If you dont like my rules you dont ride on my boat.
Mike
My Dad adn I regularly take my Neices and Nephew out in the boat fishing the Nerang and the boardwater. The boat is an Allison 195.
Yes we out life jackets on the Kids when under power and it simply isn't worth the loss if something were to happen............... wven though all 3 can swim.
As for Bar crossing and outside, I would hate to think that it was change that we have to don a pdf 100% of the time. Some days its as flat as a tack.
I ticked only for Bar crossings and for kids, but in saying that there has been a few times that I have made mates put them on........... well not made but when they see putting one on you get dont any arguements..........
I think Common Sence has to come into play, even though we are having this law ans that law thrown at us these days cause quite simply common sence is becoming a lacking trate for some..............
Aj
A lot of valid points have been made here, its seems most peoole have the commonsense and nouse required to survive in the event of a mishap.
Here you go people, some prices those inflatable jackets.
Adult Inflatable PFD1
- Manual - $95 + postage
Adult Inflatable PFD1
- Auto - $105 + postage
Child Inflatable PFD1
- Auto with harness - $269 + postage
If you want one or more just shoot me a pm.
I'd say there would be a LOT of boats on the market pretty quickly if this law was passed. I know mine would be.
I would say these boats would be located anywhere north of Mackay. North Qld, Darwin, WA.
In summer (6 months at least of the year) - it is so bloody hot that a shirt feels like TOO much.
I won't take my kids out in summer because I put PFDs on them and once I had to take one off my small son (2 yrs) because he looked like he was going to overheat. Yes - I was anchored in a river, but still.....
If a leisure time interest isn't comfortable, then why do it?
Probably the same reason that wearing a full face helmet in my car might be a bloody safe option, but there has to be a point......
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