Roll'inator

[Homer_Jay]

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The only reasonable explaination that i can think of is thay they hit somthing in the water and holed the hull on one side and kept going as it filled with water. No doubt when you get the weight of water over one side and throw it into a hard turn she just might go over. Either that or they had it overloaded and they were all on one side in a tight turn.

I just cannot see how else it can happen. Problem is with things like this no one will own up to making a mistake. Especially if it is someone from Northside. They are supposed to be the experts remember.

[Roo]

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Homer Foxy,

Not alot to the story at all..................

Test run, Punched into the 1m sea couple of K's off Clontarf area.
Took it on a following sea, took the boat across the sea.

Right sponsen went into a hole and never came out. In a straight line.
This happen lunch time yesterday.

With respect Foxy as you are well known for your fishing and boating
always having the right advice to help others out whether it be regarding radio advice or anything else. ( I took your radio advice)

The guy driving the boat at the time as earlier stated, has done alot of time at sea behind his own 7m cat. I beleive that this has occured due to the unfortunate circumstances at the time. The rep from north side stated to the driver of the boat that he had done nothing wrong in the way he was driving the boat.


The main reason for me posting this was a simple cautionary note for other Ausfishers who choose to take notice of this or deam it to be rubbish .
Up until yesterday I had very high regard for the Markham boats.
This has put a lil alarm in my head as it may do with others


AJ

I don't think I misread this, but ther seems to be a lot of talk about an imaginary high speed turn being the culprit.

Where does it say he made a high sped turn

[Ian_Reeders]

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Advantage of the asymetric hull on the Dominator is the boat leans into the turn like a mono. Sharkcats etc tend to lean out of the turn. Makes me very sceptical that he could have rolled it in a turn. I believe the dominators are completely filled with foam so I dought there was a lot of water in one hull. I don't profes to being an expert though. Just my 2 cents.

[BrandonH]

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I have no idea on this boat and its handling but one thing that hasn't been mentioned here is the chop in the bay compaired to the open sea..

I have bee told that Moreton bay is one of the most dangerous areas of water in Australia. Now I know most days its fine and you could take a tinny to Moreton but I have been told that in a good blow the waves can be 2mtrs high and 2 mtr apart This is sooo much different to what you would get outside, lots of people I have talked with have told me they would prefer to be outside in 30knots than in the bay in 30knots due to this close wave factor..
Now again I have no idea on what the 7mtr dominator can do and handle (just about anything from the sounds of it I just wanted to bring another factor to everyones attention that may have come into the equasion...
What if the boat was running side on to this chop, got the right beam caught in a trough (spelling ) while the left beam was being lifted by another wave. could this with a bit of excessive speed make it go over?

Cheers

Brandon...

[Blackened]

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G'day
I believe this is a totally freak accident. Maybe there were engine issues with one engine stalling, maybe there was an under water hazard, maybe alot of things. One thing that needs to be established is the fact of wich way did it roll?? back end up over bow or side over side like a corkscrew motion?

Maybe the anchor came looze, hit ground and rolled the boat?, albeit... I'd imagine this would rip the front end out and not allow the boat ro roll as such, but may pull it into a very sharp spin.

Does anyone have the weather observations for the particular area of bay on that particular day?

I'm with pete on this one..... how the f*ck do you roll a 7M cat inside?

Dave

[Homer_Jay]

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I think this is one we will never know the REAL story on...... Too many people will be red faced over the whole thing i would imagine to ever tell the truth about what happend. Its funny how you can leave out one or two contributing factors and it makes the story a hell of alot more interesting. Bit like a car accident, never anyones fault are they??? But they are nearly always caused by some dumb a$$ doing something stupid.

[Kiktz]

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Guys........I am Sorry for bringing this back to the top.............

But I have not been paying attention to this post for a while and I have
just taken the time to have a read.

Gayle Force,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it is comments like that, that make me not want to reply. This is an open forum and you are intitled to your opion. I knew when posting this that I was going to create more than a stir. I value Dave's (dfox) opion and was hoping that he would post as he did.
You comments regarding the not so financial sector and the not so experienced are the exact reason why forums like Aus Fish exist.
If I saw you on the side of the road I would still stop and help as dont
seek to criticise others as you do from your high perch.

"The main reason for me posting this was a simple cautionary note for other Ausfishers who choose to take notice of this or deam it to be rubbish
Up until yesterday I had very high regard for the Markham boats.
This has put a lil alarm in my head as it may do with others"

Brandon, the conditions were pretty much as you stated but not 2mtr's only 1. Having had numerous talks with the driver of the vessel, I ask what true mate would let a thing like this die I mean losing a big fish is one thing.............Roling a boat no matter what the size is another. I for one will never let him forget.
The right sponsen found a hole and fell in love with it and the next wave caught the left sponsen and she went over. The boat did from what I have been told bury in and flip on the starboard side.

Aj

[Kiktz]

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Just to clarify my posting

The boat roled into the wind and chop...........
Not with as you would think

Aj

[Mr__Bean]

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Aj,

For interest, what angle to the wind (wave) and what estimated speed?

- Darren

[Kiktz]

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Darren,

THe boat rolled starboard down. Was going across the waves>>>taking them on the starboard side with the wind coming from the same angle.
Speed was about 21 knots give or take 1 or 2 knots

Aj

[Mister]

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This is only for those that have actualy seen the above mentioned boat after this incident.

Were foils fitted to these engines? Yes/No?

[flatstrap]

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Just from a different angle...

If someone said to you, I'll give you a GAZILLION dollars if you are able to take this 7m Cat and roll it in the bay. I know I could do it deliberately in a moderate chop.

Then, alternatively, what if the skipper was doing the same action(s) without realising it, would the result not be same?

ALL BOATS will sink given a set of circumstances; regardless of intent. Does the name Titanic ring a bell?
A 7m cat is still classified as SMALL CRAFT! It's a toy when you look at it against the big picture of the maritime world...flatstrap

[Sportfish_5]

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No foils

[Dogbream]

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Just from a different angle...

If someone said to you, I'll give you a GAZILLION dollars if you are able to take this 7m Cat and roll it in the bay. I know I could do it deliberately in a moderate chop.

Then, alternatively, what if the skipper was doing the same action(s) without realising it, would the result not be same?

What action would you take flatstrap to cause the roll over? what is your experience with the 7m dominator?
What would you do differently to the cause of events?

THe boat rolled starboard down. Was going across the waves>>>taking them on the starboard side with the wind coming from the same angle.
Speed was about 21 knots give or take 1 or 2 knots

Aj

[flatstrap]

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Att: AJ
The proposal was theoretical.

Just as one can roll the best handling car available, e.g., Maclaren, Ferarri or Goggomobile Dart, the same principle of rollovers can be applied to watercraft as they are subject to the same laws of dynamics.

I am NOT saying, I could have avoided the rollover. What I am saying is that a rollover is a constant possibility in ANY boat. If one was so inclined, you could roll any boat and/or roll any motorcar.

AJ: As you are questioning my boating experience, here it is:
Over 30 years:
773 Haines Hunter twin 470 Mercs
5m Shark Cat 2x90 Johnsons
7m Shark Cat Flybridge twin 470 Mercs
7m Haines Cat 2x200 Black Max's
7m Edencraft 2x200 Yamaha
and my first love: my first boat 12 foot Quintrex Premier 35 HP Evinrude

Plus DeHavilland Trojan, 7 commuting tinnies of all sorts an 1 Ski Boat Connoly with an F1 Mercury OB.

I know boats....flatstrap