Australian Marine Centre

[Ratman]

Has anyone had dealings with Australian Marine Centre, 3491 Pacific Highway, Springwood. They called me asking if I wished to place my Quintrex Reefraider on consignment with them, promising it will sell quickly. They were trolling the Trading Post and picked up my add. Any comments appreciated. (this is not an advert)

Mick

[mako_5.2]

Be wary of consignment deals. I sold a car on consignment through a car yard 9 years ago. A mate called me up and said see you sold your car. No. A mate of his had seen it driving around for three days. Rang the yard and they said we were about to call you we just sold it. Went and picked up my cheque which bounced. The only thing that saved me was the bank had cleared the cheque early and put a lot of pressure on the yard to come up with the money. I would rather see a boat or car sit in my yard for six months than go through that again.

[Smelly]

mako - that's awful - time to pay the yard a visit one night...

Address?

[Sea-Dog]

Hey Ratman, I have a purchase agreement that they emailed to me today for a boat I'm interested in.

There are some Really nasty conditions in there.

I don't think I will end up making the deal with them.... just depends.

They want a 3 grand holding deposit on a boat.

In the conditions of contract it says....... 'that if I fail to punctually observe and perform all my obligations hereunder, all monies paid and/or trade-in provided by way of deposit shall, at the opinion of the vendor, be forfeited absolutely to the vendor who shall thereupon have power without notice to cancel the sale or at its option to sue the purchaser for the balance of the purchase price....'

In other words.... give us a big deposit, and if we think you are taking too long to get your act together - you lose your deposit. >


You might also want to send a PM to Grand Marlin - Pete.

He gave me some interesting info on Australian Marine Centre and consignment sales....

[finga64]

dodgy brothers eh

[marlinqld]

nothin' suss................................

[marlinqld]

nothin' suss................................

[Fast_Freddie]

Has anyone had dealings with Australian Marine Centre, #3491 Pacific Highway, Springwood. #They called me asking if I wished to place my Quintrex Reefraider on consignment with them, promising it will sell quickly. #They were trolling the Trading Post and picked up my add. #Any comments appreciated. #(this is not an advert)

Mick

Hey Mick,
Heed the warning of others here mate!

I have a friend who had his boat on consignment with a yard here in Brisbane a year or so back. (NOT THE ONE YOU MENTIONED THOUGH)
The mate wanted $15,000 for the rig and put this figure on the consignment paperwork which was duly signed by the Sales Manager.

They had it for 4 weeks, not one phone call to the mate in that time.

We went fishing in week 5, up in Hervey Bay, and as we are plodding out of the marina . . . yep, you guessed it . . . the mates boat is coming into the marina!

He phoned the yard right then and there and asked if the boat had sold and they said,
“Not had any takers mate. Still sitting here in the yard but we will call you if there is any action on it.”

We turn around and speak to the blokes in my mate’s boat, on the ramp. One of them proudly says he bought it 3 weeks earlier, just in time for this holiday, and paid $12,000 for it. We didn’t press the guy to much because he was really peed-off at dropping his new mobile over side earlier.

The mate gets in his car and drives back to Brisbane, goes into the yard and asks about his boat. A bag load of BS was forthcoming from the ‘Rat with a gold tooth’ masquerading as a Salesman and after about 40 minutes the Sales Manager appears apologizing profusely and says,
“Your boat has actually been sold and is being water tested over to Straddie and back right now. Come back tomorrow and I should have some news for you.”

The mate gets sick of the whole saga and says,
“No mate, I’ll come back in 2 hours and either you produce my boat or pay me the $15,000 as we agreed to on this bit of paper with your signature on it.”

2 hours later the mate rocks up, with another bloke in tow, and find the Sales Manager deep in conversation with the owner of the yard. Before the Owner gets a word out the mate says,
“Before you say anything let me introduce you to my Boss from the ACCC.”

Money transferred in full – mate happy. The yard got an invitation to have a coffee with the Office of Fair Trading a week later. . . mmmm, wonder how they heard about it? [smiley=rifle.gif]

True story.

[Ratman]

Many thanks for the input ausfishos. Trading Post will do just fine. Mick

[boatboy50]

Hey Guys,

I have no ties to AMC, but just wanted to point out that not one of the above posts are directly aimed at them.

I'd like to see a new business like that given a fair playing field, rather than slandered on because of a few bad eggs in the industry.

The above just goes to show, don't trust anyone, and when in a situation like a consignment deal, keep a good eye on your boat and don't just leave it and forget it.

There is some honest businesses out there which would not treat customers unfairly.

Regards

Darren

[austmarine]

I have personally sold ,many boats, new & second hand for/to many buyers & sellers. Not ONE have complained!!

I agree there are a few dodgy yards out there

A deposit is required to build a boat, if you are not 100% comitted to taking delivery of that boat that is being manufactured to your specs, DO NOT commit to purchasing that boat.

If you are signing a contract to have a house built, will the builder commence B4 a deposit is down???, i don;t think so

The purchase agreement is a standard legal form, used to weed out the real buyers

look forward to providing the service to our existing customers who appreciate good values

Hey Ratman, I have a purchase agreement that they emailed to me today for a boat I'm interested in.

There are some Really nasty conditions in there.

I don't think I will end up making the deal with them.... just depends.

They want a 3 grand holding deposit on a boat.

In the conditions of contract it says....... 'that if I fail to punctually observe and perform all my obligations hereunder, all monies paid and/or trade-in provided by way of deposit shall, at the opinion of the vendor, be forfeited absolutely to the vendor who shall thereupon have power without notice to cancel the sale or at its option to sue the purchaser for the balance of the purchase price....'

In other words.... give us a big deposit, and if we think you are taking too long to get your act together - you lose your deposit. >


You might also want to send a PM to Grand Marlin - Pete.

He gave me some interesting info on Australian Marine Centre and consignment sales....

[FNQCairns]

By golly Austmarine with a contract like that I could never consider myself a real buyer and to date in my entire life I have never handed REAL money over under a contract like that. That includes my new boat commissioning and purchase a few months ago.

cheers fnq

[finga]

I'd like to see dates and definite time periods laid out.

This ''that if I fail to punctually observe and perform all my obligations hereunder, all monies paid and/or trade-in provided by way of deposit shall, at the opinion of the vendor, be forfeited absolutely to the vendor who shall thereupon have power without notice to cancel the sale or at its option to sue the purchaser for the balance of the purchase price....'

This is basically a lot of trollop to me.

Who defines what punctually means?? Why not put a definite time period in like 14 calendar days etc in the contract??
Opinion of the vendor....who really cares what his opinion is?? Definite stipulations and conditions should be in the contract.

Without notice.....what a load of crap.

So in the worse case scenario I can trade in my Bertie (say $10k) on a tinny (say $11). I sign the paper work and go to get the extra $1k and if I come back in 10 minutes it may be too late. The buggers keep the Bertie and I get didly squat.
That's just plain crap

Any quote or contract I've had to enter into when I worked stipulated time periods for everything from starting, finishing, payments, deviation from contract costs etc, etc.

Personally, I will not even consider contracts with fuzzy definitions. And IMO anybody who uses a contract like that IS DODGY.
I repeat IMO and said anybody. Nobody is named and it is my opinion so it's not slander.

[finga]

A deposit is required to build a boat, if you are not 100% comitted to taking delivery of that boat that is being manufactured to your specs, DO NOT commit to purchasing that boat.

The purchase agreement is a standard legal form, used to weed out the real buyers

Yes, granted a deposit is not out of the question.
If the example above is from a 'standard legal form' then I'll never buy from a boat yard.
I can not believe a truely honest seller of goods of any description with integrity will have any clauses which are 'open to interpretations' or clauses who's out come comes down to 'personal opinion' of the vendor in a legal document as standard.
...Or for that matter any legit writer of legit legal documents putting in any clauses which are 'open to interpretation' or clauses that can determine the outcome of a contract as a direct result of someones 'personal opinion' in a legal document as standard.

[BM]

Keeping customers deposits on a used boat sale that falls over is not wise, long term focused business. Better to hand back the deposit, then you still have a potential customer rather than a burnt, screwed customer who will never return and nor will the many he tells his tale too.

Not all boat dealers are bad (perhaps only most?) and everyone has a mate with a tale about a bad consignment deal.

Its important to realise that if a boat is consigned too high (often due to the owner wanting too high a dollar for it) that at some point a price correction may be in order. So whilst the consignment paperwork has a figure on it, 4 weeks down the track if the boat has interest but the price is wrong I see no problem consulting the owner and adjusting the outcome (have done that many times) to a a figure that still suits the owner but puts the price right to sell.

However, boats sold for different dollars to the consignment agreement without the owners consent is a big no no. Not to mention plain stupid.

The "boat sold 3 weeks ago" thing has one answer and one alone. The dealer was struggling for money and had to cough up when he got caught out.

$3000 is a big deposit, but I guess one can ask for what they like. Its their choice. I used to take 10%(refundable).

Cheers