i agree with all the above, Lloyd does a great job, he explains all in a way that is easy to follow.. I err, uummm, mmm didn't read the book either, & i passed.
so at his prices & ability to explain there is no real reason why all boaties don't get a licence..
keep up the good work Lloyd..
Thanks Carl, I have you booked in.
Take the new Ikea turn off coming from the Coast, on the roundabout take the exit straight after the one that brings you back on to the motorway heading Nth, under the overpass, right at the roundabout, 100 yds up the road and youre their :-)
Cheers Lloyd
Just to add my vote - yes, got mine way back when it was called an ROCPR (Restricted Operators Certificate of Proficiency in Radiotelephony). Early 1980s I think it was.
I just hope I'm never in need of help from those here who wouldn't know how or when to correctly transmit a Mayday Relay (to answer the earlier question). Don't suppose they know or respect the silence periods each hour either. My question is how do they know what channels they can legally use?
Chris.
It seems to me that this is all about relaying mayday calls... And whilst i am sure that the course is worth every cent, please, can anybody here give any other reasons as to why is so important to hold this ticket?
Any example will do....................
---Originally Posted by tigermullet
#.it should be mandatory in order to gain a recreational ship licence..as has been in commercial industry for years
My God what a thought!! The very idea makes my blood run cold. Having spent a lifetime in communications there are few things in life that I dislike more than radios.
I don't have one and will not have one. The first thing that was taken off one of the boats I bought was the radio. Chucked it straight into the bin and immediately felt better.
The way to sort out all of the procedural crap of how to communicate via radio would be to ban voice and bring back morse code.
And I wish that boaties who love radio would operate with headsets rather than having the speakers blare garbage for hours on end. A few trips to the Pin have been ruined by incessant chatter coming from other boats speakers. Why a radio is used in calm water is beyond me. How much trouble can you get into at the Pin? If the boat is sinking then couldn't they just leap overboard and swim for a few metres and then walk?- it's shallow enough.
I had better stop. This could run on for hours without even touching on the subject of self reliance and those dreadful rescue organisations who are so keen to see us all captured in the net of safety.
ok buddy. come out 60 mile and conk out and see if u need a vhf, see if u can swim ashore ? stick to the rivers and jumpinpin you twat ! - and whoever said that vhf is line of sight with some bullshit explanation of ions at atmosphere - drive up to cape moreton and look at the vhf repeater that coastugard redcliffe installed itself to increase radio range for us boaties.
how dare anyone (tigermullet) dig into the rescue groups and even have the nerve to play down marine safety. your a pack of whinghers and get off the water - funny how the cpl who have messaged their arrogance come from the broadwater - where most of sth east qld's weekend warrior broadwater cruising, chardonay in hand - come from..
and shanoss and to all the other stubborn people who have put their comments up. please unwire ur vhf's and throw em in the bin and stick to ur 27mgs. im sick to death of hearing the likes of these people trying to justify not learning the rules and knowledge of a tool that could save not only your life but someone elses.
and to grand marlin and sub zero - your comments were great.
Last edited by Fish Guts; 06-02-2007 at 09:15 PM.
I have open marine radio ticket...VHF and HF radios..
Shanoss,
The ticket is recognition of you completing the radio operators course.
If you have completed the course, you are deemed competent in how to use the radio to the same standard as everybody else in the world who holds the ticket.
The ticket / licence is like any other licence - proof that you have passed an accredited course, and can be produced if demanded by the authorities.
The course covers all aspects of the use of the radio - what channels to use / when, what protocol to use when making distress calls, when to call, when to shut up and listen, trouble shooting for radios and batteries, and many other points are covered.
Please ask Subzero if you need further advice on course content...
Does this answer what you are asking???
Cheers
Pete
Shanoss, I have had a look through a couple of your previous posts to see if you are local and I cant tell for sure but I think you may be.
I hope you are as I am going to make you an offer I hope you wont refuse.
You attend my course, you sit the higher accreditation being the MROCP at the end of the day..... you tell me at the end of it that you didnt learn anything of value and you cant see the point in holding the certificate and I will pay your test fee out of my own pocket. I wont ask you why, I will just cough up.
You get a free course and almost certainly a certificate/license you may not want but I think you may change your mind as to it's value.
I dont intend to debate or teach you on here, I spend far too much time on here as it is and with my 1 finger typing it would take forever. (That is why I run radio courses).
To me, if you were truly educated in Marine Radio, you would use it as I see in a previous post you say you have hardly if ever transmitted . I dont know where you fish, if you cross bars or anything else about you but I do know that one of the most important things to do with a Marine Radio is to log on and off when possible. When the shit hits the fan, just having someone keep an ear out for you can and does frequently make all the difference, its free, why not use it. (Yes unfortunately the bases are not maned 24/7).
It's not just about Mayday Relays, it's about the other 7 1/2 hours of info that gets fed in to peoples heads in plain speak with as many examples and reasons as I can think of as I shoot through as much info as I can without boring people to death.
I dont intend to debate laws about licensing, we cant choose the laws that suit us and dismiss those that dont, I didnt want to pay for a marriage license but the Mother in Law made me... its not high on my list of things at all if people actually have a Radio License as previously stated, I am not a member of the Water Police.
The offer is there, a serious offer and I would welcome your attendance.
If you do come, at the end of it hopefully you will come back to this post and answer your own question :-)
Kind Regards
Lloyd
ok buddy. come out 60 mile and conk out and see if u need a vhf, see if u can swim ashore ? stick to the rivers and jumpinpin you twat ! - and whoever said that vhf is line of sight with some bullshit explanation of ions at atmosphere - drive up to cape moreton and look at the vhf repeater that coastugard redcliffe installed itself to increase radio range for us boaties.
how dare anyone (tigermullet) dig into the rescue groups and even have the nerve to play down marine safety. your a pack of whinghers and get off the water - funny how the cpl who have messaged their arrogance come from the broadwater - where most of sth east qld's weekend warrior broadwater cruising, chardonay in hand - come from..
Wow. Great reaction, with name calling too!
Really, Fishguts I do not mind if people choose to go out on the water with radios and do not have any argument against the rescue groups. If people want to be involved in those things it is fine by me just as long as I am not forced to adopt the same style.
My main concern lies with rescue groups having too much input into Government agencies. The remark from an earlier post recommending that radios, knowledge of them and procedure being a requirement for a boat licence was the thing that set me off. Some days I am certain that the rescue groups will not be satisfied until we are all wearing lifejackets in the bath tub.
And what would it matter if a few of us went out on a boating trip and did not return? Six billion people on the planet - a few less would not really hurt. What does matter, in my opinion, is loss of freedom and being strangled by rules and regulation. But that's just my point of view. It is obvious that the majority wish to feel safe at all times - that is their choice.
Nor can one argue against the dedication and courage of the volunteers involved in rescue organizations. It is just their perceived earnest zeal to see everyone caught up in the net of safety that I have difficulty with.
As for the invitation to come out to the 60 mile - do I really have to say been there, done that? The techno bit (crap) about line of sight, repeaters, abnormal ionospheric conditions was meant for those who understand and to make one person aware that his vhf transmissions are not necessarily limited to a small radius. Radio procedure? Having been involved with that from the age of 18 to 55 is not a subject that I wish to discuss. It is, now, just too boring but I really do know the subject (apart from any recent changes in procedure) having started out when morse code was an essential part of qualifications.
If you now go on and call me a dinosaur it won't hurt as plenty of that is copped on a regular basis. My wife usually throws in "irrelevant" as well.
I hope you continue to enjoy your boating, radios etc., and I will take your advice and stick to the rivers, creeks and Broadwater in the blessed silence of a non radio equipped boat. These days if anyone needs my help I hope that they are skilled in semaphore and that my eyesight does not detiorate further.
To balance up some things. The story below would certainly stir up a flurry of radio activity - licensed or not.
Bull Sharks Sink Boat Off Fla. Coast
FORT MYERS BEACH, Fla. -- A crew aboard a shrimping boat were rescued after a group of bull sharks rammed and bit the vessel until it eventually sank off the Florida coast, according to an Associated Press report.
Captain Roger Schmall said a group of sharks had been slamming into the Christy Nichole's hull for four days. But then a 14-foot bull shark broke the boat's tail shaft, leaving Schmall and his crew of two adrift about 100 miles off the coast.
Schmall radioed for help, and another vessel picked the crew up about two hours later.
Schmall remained aboard his ship to pump water out while the other boat pulled it back to land. He said it was working for a couple of hours, but the waves eventually took their toll on Schmall's boat and the boat sank.
For me, the ability to push that little red button that says distress and something happening to come and get me out of the poo.
If you haven't a certificate you can still press the button but nothing is going to happen.
So, IMO, the ability to be able to use that button is as important as having any other form of safety gear and IMO is quite similar to having an EPIRB on board.
I know that having a MMSI number is not manatory but I have one because I feel the need purely for the safety aspect.
For that reason alone I consider the fees more then acceptable.
I spent a day and $100 odd dollars for the certificate...How much is an EPIRB or
self inflating PFD1??
We've heard the 'non-believers' asking why is the certificate needed and some reasons given. If the 'non-believers' have a VHF what are some of the reasons not to get the certificate?? Other then thinking that the thing is just for revenue.
I believe some have not got a certificate because of their locations and the inability to get to somewhere to do the course as well.
I wonder if the test can be done like some other exams at the Police station and do the study at home??
And it's another form of photo ID to get to the magic 200 points. Don't forget that for another reason to have the bit of plastic in the wallet
PS Lloyd...if the blokes sits the course and doesn't learn anything I go you halves. You give enough towards the safety of others by donating your time, home and coffee and biscuits already.
First question....Why on earth would anybody put up with sharks banging into the side for 4 days??? I'd by out of there lickity split.To balance up some things. The story below would certainly stir up a flurry of radio activity - licensed or not.
Bull Sharks Sink Boat Off Fla. Coast
FORT MYERS BEACH, Fla. -- A crew aboard a shrimping boat were rescued after a group of bull sharks rammed and bit the vessel until it eventually sank off the Florida coast, according to an Associated Press report.
Captain Roger Schmall said a group of sharks had been slamming into the Christy Nichole's hull for four days. But then a 14-foot bull shark broke the boat's tail shaft, leaving Schmall and his crew of two adrift about 100 miles off the coast.
Schmall radioed for help, and another vessel picked the crew up about two hours later.
Schmall remained aboard his ship to pump water out while the other boat pulled it back to land. He said it was working for a couple of hours, but the waves eventually took their toll on Schmall's boat and the boat sank.
probably didn't want to use the radio and tried morse code but couldn't get any one to reply
Holy Moly, Admitting to not having a licence around here is like lining up to be burnt at the stakeand some of the reasons for not having one are equally as dumb.
My own reasons are simple. It's a pure risk assesment. The odds of getting caught and/or fined for not having one are miniscule.
That doesn't mean I am incapable of reading and understanding the handbook, nor does it mean I don't have respect for the protocols and etiquitte involved in VHF use, nor does it mean I don't have respect for the Volunteer rescue organisations or people that run, or choose to attend a course as others have implied, nor does it mean I am purposely putting myself and family in danger.
It simply means my chances of getting caught are stuff all, and as such I'm happy to run the gauntlet and leave a few bucks in my pocket.
Now some of you should line up at the cricket and make sure we don't have any of those nasty, antisocial people doing that dangerous Mexican Wave, and friggin Jay walkers, do you all hang around street corners giving a mouthtful to people cutting the corner off the crossing too ?
Last edited by Dicko; 07-02-2007 at 10:34 AM.
It simply means my chances of getting caught are stuff all, and as such I'm happy to run the gauntlet and leave a few bucks in my pocket.
And that remark, Dicko, is going to be like shoving a stick into an ant's nest if past responses to opinion on this thread are any guide.
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