If only Kerry was here for this!
But maybe soon, we'll get FishinMission kicking people in the nuts!
Lefty - In terms of my not having any data to back this up, you should get a copy of the latest Blue Water magazine... In there is a great article on Marlin/sailfish/etc mortality rates after release... There was a lot of data & scientific research gone into this article.
Originally Posted by lefty_green
whoa up a minute...I do not support your arguments at all...the crux of your argument is that rec fishos are causing a lot of the damage and I do not believe that for one minute. You stated that there is lots of undersize fishes in PP..did you think that maybe these are juvenile fishes from the breeding in PP?
Pinhead - the crux of my argument is that commercial fishing, and trawling in particular, is not the only reason for a decline in fish numbers. I think that rec fishing is contributing to the decline. The undersize fish in PP could be a result of the breeding, but the lack of large fish may be an indication of overfishing - lots of small fish in a population means overfishing.
Here's a curly one. Could the decline be due to the fact that there are more rec fishers catching the same numbers as in past years, meaning that the numbers are the same its just that these are spread across more anglers?? That is, less fish per angler, but the same number of fish?
Dan apologies - you said that "the numbers we are talking here actually fall into the category of safely saying the people mentioned above (that support cnr) have NO impact on fish stocks" I didnt read that too well. Research is going into the fate of release fish now. Flathead and reef fish species are being caught and released as part of DPI&F projects. To say that CNR has no effect is a bit premature. But being caught is a major stress on any fish and some research from the US indicates that being caught can effect feeding and spawning. You must admit that CNR isn't the practices of the majority of rec anglers and I think that the people that don't practice CNR do have some effect on fish numbers.
Anyway, whatever your point of view, its a debate worth having. No-one really knows the impact rec fishos are having but to have the potential of 880,000 rec fishos apllying effort to fish stocks, you would have to say that they are having an effect on fish numbers, no matter how slight that effect may be?
In all honesty, I think this might be untrue... Now for this I don't have the numbers for, however...
When you consider that nearly everyone on this site support CNR for the majority of their catch. And ALL the fishing shows on TV/Radio stress the point of CNR (Even ET, Fishnet cr@p, and the goofballs off iFish!!!). On top of that all the tackle shops do as well... And then for every member on here that supports it, everyone they speak to, they push for it. Plus everyone in Fishing Clubs.... That is a very large proportion of rec fishers!!!
Now here's the other half of the coin... Not everyone on here catches alot of fish!) The old saying 10% catch 90% of the fish is definately true... And those 10% of anglers, would nearly all support CNR! They couldn't realistically keep them all... Look at Rob & Zeeke's report. Over 20 cobia! And yes they kept a couple, but no other report I've ever seen on here (And I've read a lot of posts on here) have even come close to that many!!!
So with all the people supporting CNR, and everyone telling the others to support CNR, I do believe that rec fishers are being very responsible lately! There will always be exceptions to the rules (We've all seen people on wharves keeping undersize fish), but most rec fishers will have a go at these people... Surely that points to a very good future!
Once I saw this tree and I decided it was about time I hugged it. The sad thing was someone came and cut the F**KER down to build your house. Moral to the story. The tree had rough bark and was uncomfortable.
Point ??? That’s right there is no point this thread has been smashed.
Kingtin GOLD mate love the replies Very well said!
MAD!
I find hugging ghost gums the best...soft bark, nice smell....try it sometime
Lefty,
Ever thought that your just crap at fishing and thats why your not catching much? Maybe you should give up & take up lawn bowls or something. What do you suppose we do? Ban fishing all together? I go out to catch a feed for myself and for my family whether that is by using netts, pots, line or spear, I don't care & am well within my legal rights to keep what is legal size & as long as I keep to the bag limits. So if you have a problem with that than take your argument to the state government. Yeah I support catch & release, but I love eating seafood & I pay to go fishing so I take what is legal & I eat it all & use the scraps for bait, I don't waste any of my catch at all! What would you like me to do, go sell all my gear & buy the crappy "so called" fresh seafood at the supermarkets and support the commercial fishermen. I have had plenty of research & i'll let you know that 1 trawler = about 10,000 rec fisherman when they go out for their spell at sea. Ever seen a video on what their nets do on the sea bed floor? What do you think their survival rate of their catch & release would be? You'll be lucky if you had 1%! Rec fisherman have bugger all of an impact on fishing ok, yeah you have the odd tosser who does the wrong thing. Out of your 880,00 fisherman fishing how many really catch anything? You just think how much a trawler messes up the sea environment. What bout all the rubbish that goes into the water, I bet that probably has a worse effect than us! Neways as a typical greenie, you'll just jump up & down your whole life because you'll find something that your not happy with.
Well I stand corrected. Rec fishers have no impact on fish stocks! It is only commercial fishing that has led to the decline of fish numbers.
This whole thread was about the fact that commercial fishing (trawling in particular) has a negative effect on numbers and that is true. I just pointed out that rec fishing probably contributes to the decline, along with habitat destruction and probably a thousand other things.
Let me say this - trawl effort in Queensland is the lowest it has been in at least 10 years. The high price of fuel combined with the very low price of prawns has caused alot of hardship in the industry. Beam trawling will probably be gone within 10 years. Trawlers trawl a very low percentage of the state - about 1% of the GBRMP and they catch very little in the way of rec-important species.
Have a think about where the commercial harvest goes for a second. All the greasy prawns caught by beam trawlers are used for bait by rec anglers - if there were no demand there'd be no supply i.e. no beam trawling.
Anyway, I suppose I am trying to make a point to the wrong audience. Most of you see rec fishing as squeaky clean. I still think that its not, but could be. It is true that 10% of anglers catch 90% of fish, and that quite a large proportion of the 10% probably do practice CNR but what of the others that dont. Good example is a post on here about fishing at the Barwons. One group of blokes bagged out on snapper, gave these to another boat and kept fishing, bagging out again. Is that squeaky clean?
Anyway, I wont post again - which will make you all happy. Good fishing.
you're a couple short of a six-pack aren't you l-g.
I really can't figure out what point you have been trying to make with all this.
I am pretty sure everyone has agreed that rec fishers have some effect on fish stocks, but that (for most species) it is small compared to the effect of commerical fishing (in whatever form). You seem to keep ignoring this for some reason.
I really think it would be for the best if you did just piss off and don't come back.
"The underlying spirit of angling is that the skill of the angler is pitted against the instinct and strength of the fish and the latter is entitled to an even chance for it's life."
(Quotation from the rules of the Tuna Club Avalon, Santa Catalina, U.S.A.)
Apathy is the enemy
Everyone is entitled to their opinion lefty, your got the wrong attitude there. Post wat u like, but just as much as you are we are entitled to say what we think.
Lefty Dude where are you buying your prawns at because i am as sure as sh#t not getting them cheaply!
MAD!
Beefaman Dude i am looking for one of those ghost gums? any idea's where i might find one with out having an impact on the gravational pull from pluto??
Cheers
MAD!
I cant tell you where the good hugginh ghost gums are....they are special to me and I dont want other huggers hugging my hugging trees......sorry
I have just read through this post and i definatly think think that Human Factor and to part of brisbane expanding is part the main part to do with the decline in fish stocks in the bay. I have been fishing in the bay Mainly landbaed since i was 5 and have noticed dratic changes to fishing in probably 5 year spirts. I remember the days of going to skimish point on bribie and catching 20-30 tailor in a hour with out much fuss at all then 5 years later there we just about none around. And then alot of tailor restrictions came in and now we start to see decent numbers turning up. The same Goes for Mackeral netting in the bay and few years ago that was restricted and we now as most people would agree the numbers are getting better.
One of the things i have noticed over the last few years is that each yeah at a certain time off the year at the end off winter the snot weed seems to be getting thicker and thicker in some spot and this concerns me as it is caused by low oxygen and high nitrates in the water and i feel it is big issue choking the spawing grounds of esturine fish making the areas uninhabital. I cant see a reversal in this problem as i see new estates going up on catchment areas Eg tingalpa Creeks in particular.....
Anyways thats just a few thaughts
Dylan
rec fishers definately have an impact. its just that we all know how much the commercial guys are taking, its hard to know the full extent or even estimate the impact that rec fishers are having because its not know how many fish we take. from the management point of view commercial fishing is easier to manage because we know how much they're taking and where they take it from.
the worst form of fishing for the environment is IIU fishing.
that should be IUU fishing not IIU
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