Anchoring system ( solution with pics )

[Lucky_Phill]

I have now completed the " local " theory. Yes Greg, the tinnie being light will assist the reef pick to grab and hold.

The first pick is of the anchor with a hose clamp circled.

Total cost was about $160 inc box

Phill

[Lucky_Phill]

This pic is of all items. bending bar ( this one is borrowed until I get one of my own and should always be in the crate )

100mtrs of 8mm rope, 3.5mtrs of 10mm chain.

I have also woven 4 inches ( 100mm to the new school ) of orange three strand rope into the anchor rope at 25mtr intervals. Just makes counting the depth easier, no guessing etc.

[Lucky_Phill]

Here is the complete unit. The crate is a fold down type affair and obviously has holes / slits all round for the anchor rope to dry.

This can be used on various size boats and is portable, being a dedicated anchoring system for a specific area and use.

Here's hoping it works, and I'll keep you informed of any success or otherwise.

I know, I will have to be careful when driving the anchor off as the front of the tinnie can easily be pulled under. My experience and diligance should see me through that.

Cheers Phill

[Owen]

Never mind Phil,
If you pull her under there'll be a bigger reef to sound for
Anyway I don't think you have too much problem finding a volunteer to drive you out to retrieve her.

I must be missing something though. How does that setup improve the scenario versus a standard reef pick? My (limited) thinking would be that the hose clamp would make it harder to straighten the prongs, thus making it harder to get it off if it's stuck

cheers,
Owen

[aussie_stu]

when you drive forward to release anchor why not grab rope and attach to back of tinny, this would stop the nose from being pulled under, then keep a hand on the rope and you should be able to feel when the chain runs through the ring on the float, thus stopping the anchor dropping back down, untie rope from back of tinny and wind the whole shebang in from front.

[rebelone]

I have just bought one of those folding anchors from BCF and have riged it with a short piece of chain attached to a D shackle at each end, a metal ring about 50ml. diameter with my anchor chain and rope attached runs along this piece of chain. I have secured the runing ring to the correct end of the anchor with a cable tie that should break and alow the ring to pull to the other end with only a small amount of force, hopefully pulling the anchor out backwards, haven't had a chance to see if it actually works yet, but the theory sounds good.

[finding_time]

when you drive forward to release anchor why not grab rope and attach to back of tinny, this would stop the nose from being pulled under, then keep a hand on the rope and you should be able to feel when the chain runs through the ring on the float, thus stopping the anchor dropping back down, untie rope from back of tinny and wind the whole shebang in from front.

Aussie stu

I'm not trying to preach but if you ever do what you have just discribed you will one day sink your boat !

Always attach the rope to the bow if the rope doesn't release the bottom all that will happen is you will keep pulling the bow of your boat around to face the snag but if you attach the rope at the rear of your boat your outboard will drive your ass under and you will sink!!!!

Using your hand to feel when the chain goes through the loop is the way to do it but wait till you can grab it as it comes back over the boat.

Hope this helps

Ian

[Lucky_Phill]

aussie_stu,

with all due respect, tying the anchor rope to the stern of the tinnie is asking for trouble. Should the anchor be stuck, you'll pull the stern under quicker than Brent Tate side stepping Mark Gasnier in a State of Origin.

I have seen and been involved in a situation where the nose of a boat nearly went under due to a stuck anchor. The boat is usually pulled down and swung around violently, but rarely pulled down enough and straight enopugh to flood the boat. It is very easy to back off the throttle and try another attempt or system. I don't think you have much chance having the anvhor tied to the stern, it would pull the boat straight down enough for water to flood into the boat, and possibily stall the motor with a gutfull of salty. THis is all My Opinion, but gained from experience.

Seriously, that is a bad move. I know that driving off at speed will will pull the float downwards, thus creating great pressure on the " lift " of the anchor, and that lift will be pulling it out and up front first, sort of. You'll have to picture this in your mind. Basically, by the time lift is applied to the anchor, my boat will be at least 60mtrs past the anchor and be dragging/ lifting it from the ring towards the prongs. Most of the time, the anchor is lifted a little sideways and up at the same time and as soon as it is lifted, it rises through the water column quickly, allowing the ring on the float to be dragged towards the anchor and eventually holding / catching on the flare at the prongs, suspending it in the water so that it can be retrieved without straining.

I have used this method for many years in the big rig and have never lost an anchor, but then again, I was always anchoring on reef/ rubble bottom.

OWEN,

I see what you are saying. A reef pick doesn't need much to hold onto considering the amount of chain attached. This weight itself is almost enough to hold me in place. Picture in your mind ( and do this with something ) a long bent shaft ( prong ) and find how easy it is to bend to an angle that would allow it to ' let go ' from the bottom. ( wish I could draw this for you ). then think about the short prongs. IT's all a matter of leverage.

Think about a long pronged anchor and the angle of the rope. If the angle was at say 45 -60 degrees, the prongs on the long prong anchor will be almost pointing back at the boat. The shorter prongs will be still be at about 45 degrees to the bottom and looking to grab onto something.

I will attempt to take some pics to describe this, so stay tuned.
Phill

[madmix]

Hi Phil,

Saw a demonstration on tv show (no not rex) of
the anchor yanka, before they became popular.
Rope was taken from bow and attached to stern cleat
for retrieval. Caution was given re overuse of throttle and
obvious dangers of snagged anchors. Vessel driven forward
in slight arc so as to keep anchor rope at about 30 degree angle
to rear of boat.

Word of warning Phil,,,,,,,,Throw that bloody 8mm rope in the shed.

cheers Mick

[aussie_stu]

ok so tying to the back is a no go, haven't done it myself, but have been on a few boats that have, so I will not be trying that one, thanx for the warning boys.

[Tony_N]

I'm not advocating tying your anchor rope to your rear cleat.......but....

..to retrieve your anchor in this way the danger is there only if you are working on a short length of anchor rope. If you are operating 3:1 (rope let out: water depth), and if you don't go at it like a bull at a gate, the angle generated is very unlikely to pull your boat under.

It is nevertheless not good practise.

[jackson_4300]

tieing rope the rope to the back of the boat will act as a slingshot, as you drive forward the rope streches and if the anchor is caught well enough you and your boat will be pulled back and under the water as you let the throttle off.
only lost 1 anchor, a reefie at curtain artificial, Moreton bay, was a cracker of an anchor, a nice big one.
But i use a float and i find that using it and motoring off backwards the anchor pulls off otherwise it pulls staright and comes off.

[wayne_cook]

tieing rope the rope to the back of the boat will act as a slingshot, as you drive forward the rope streches and if the anchor is caught well enough you and your boat will be pulled back and under the water as you let the throttle off.

spot on don't do it run from the bow

[madmix]

Howdy Phil and others

to clarify correct retrieval, check out

www.ankayanka.com

follow steps 1 - 6 at top of page

cheers mick

[BR65]

A word from the hard knocks school
never ever ever ever ever tie off to a stern cleat whilst trying to drive off an anchor