I blame the teachers!!
Chimo
I blame the teachers!!
Chimo
What could go wrong.......................
hey I said that to a Teacher and he nearly ripped my head off, reckons he works 25hours a day, and has no time to look after Pupils and their English problems, what the! that's what a teacher does I thought.
Let me start by saying I am not or ever was a teacher.Originally Posted by Chimo
I agree with this to an extent. The guidence a few years back was that if the word looked OK, the kids were allowed a few errors. This got to be plague proportions if I remember. One of my boys, now 18 went through yr1-3 or so when this was evident. He would spella word and we'd have no idea what it was until he told us, yes it made sense after that but it carried through somewhat. I think it must have been going for a while before he got to yr1 because some of the teachers comments were written similarly and we were honestly amazed.
I don't blame the teaschers as they were only doing a job assigned to them by higher all-knowing powers
I think these days it's up to the parents to steer the kids in the correct direction more so than ever before....Why?? Well when we were young, the schooling was simple and had none of this SMS/phone speak as we do now. It will become more accepted if we allow it, this is why we have to be on our kids and let them know it isn't the right way to head. We are lucky, our 3 kids,(18b,15b,12g) are fairly level headed and see that the SMS speak has it's place and so does normal language. I feel if the SMS cr*p is let loose the generation gap will actually widen considerably because the older generations will not understand what's ahppening ona greater scale than ever before. I may sound like an old fart but I believe that it could happen if we let it...imagine a world where a kid says LOL instead of actually laughing. It could happen
i'm married to a preschool teacher & i find that offensive...you only have to see some of the rude, ill disciplined, disruptive, disobedient little sh*ts that come to the schools to wonder what the hell the parents teach them..
it all starts at home,. if the parents do not teach their children some manners & how to do the right thing they will never learn. a lot of kids have absolutely no hope in this world because they are taught nothing by the parents, who are too self absorbed in their own world to really care about their kids. teachers are there to educate the children, not do the parents job.
problem is a lot of the parents appear to be the same as the kids & have not had the benefit, for whatever reason,of a good education. instead of trying to get their kids to do better & get ahead in life they just keep them at the same level ..
so don't blame the teachers..
having said that, there are teachers out there who just go through the motions , because the kids are like they are & the teachers can do nothing about it, so they don't bother. i find that really sad..
being a Teacher is a very big responsibility, they spend a lot of time with kids, sometimes even more than the parents, (not a good thing, but a fact of life) and unless a Teacher can instill in their pupils a sense of pride and respect for other people and their property, then I think we will continue to have this ever widening gap between the generations and social groups, when was the last time you saw a young person help an elderly person do something, a long time I would expect, but how long ago was it you heard a young person using bad language in public, today I would think, it is a sad fact of life that WE are changing to a bunch of uncareing "I'm alright, stuff you" generation, and teachers COULD help with Teaching values and even being able to give someone a "clip in the ear" if they needed it would be a start, even a stint in the Army might straighten out some of the unruly nit wits you see around today! hey I just had another whinge, and I said the original post was my last for the year, oh well, Merry Christmas to all and have a great and fishy New Year!
NOEL
i agree with the clip under the ear bit, but the rest..... sorry.
it's the parents responsibility. teachers don't get aroung using the 'f' word, teachers don't get a belly full of pi** & abuse everyone & start fights, teachers don't, teachers don't scream at the kids & tellthem they are totally worthless etc. etc. etc. parents have to instill a bit of self esteem & pride into their kids. not teach them that the world is against them & you don't have to have respect for other people & their property.
Without putting lables on people, it tends to be the ones who are doing it toughest who's kids are the worst, they are the ones who should be trying to get their kids to better themselves. they probably had a similar upbringing & are doing the same to the kids. it's a crying shame to see some of the beautiful kids out there that have no hope in the world, because the parents will not change their lifestyle...
Sadly this is typical of people today.
"IT IS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT"
Why don't people accept responsibility for their own, and their children's, problems, lack of desire to learn, lack of manners, lack of respect, etc, etc.
a good % of teachers now-a-days are clueless, they might aswell apply for a job at BCF
Hi All
Boy, talk about stir up a hornets nest...............
Ok, I'll own up, I was a teacher and its not all the teachers fault; a lot of "it" is the parents fault partly for years ago letting the education system be changed and losing a lot of what was core to its outcomes.
"problem is a lot of the parents appear to be the same as the kids & have not had the benefit, for whatever reason,of a good education. instead of trying to get their kids to do better & get ahead in life they just keep them at the same level .. quote from DR"
Now, as a GOM I remember being taught manners and hearing good polite converstion at home without most of the negative features of homelife mentioned above.
I also remember being taught to spell and having dictation as part of my school work. I remember being taught about clear thinking and writing many a precis at school.
Then things changed in the education systems around the country and all the details like spelling, dictation tests in class, clear thinking and writing precis etc got dropped in favour of all sorts of nebulous stuff where it was ok as long as the student sort of communicated and spelling and all the other specifics that are the foundation of values and communiction went by the board.
After a while we had teachers teaching children but they themselves had never learned or were taught, the basic skills and we are in trouble and still are as a result of these and other changes. (such as its OK? for F... this and such in a wide range of public and private locations.)
Its a long time since I got out of the education system but while there, I was also a subject moderator involved in statewide standards and examinations. Without a public mood for change and some political will .....................
As a family we made sure our children attended a primary school where they stuck with the basics of reading, writing, rithmatic while other schools in the area went with the trendy stuff.
Our children then went to a state high school where the difference in primary education and the lack of the primary school basics already stood out with some of the children from the "trendy" system.
In high school, the range of skills of the teachers was as wide as the range of their ages and their own education.
So yes it isn't all the parents fault or all the teachers fault but which group of professionals changed the sylabus that impacted initially on the children who became adults and then became teachers (and parents).
Parents certainly play a major role in instilling, teaching and promoting good manners and values and some of the basics of speech values and communication etc.
Teachers need to build on that good knowledge with a lot more of the basics and the older skills that are still missing.
High standards of comprehension and communication don't just fall out of trees. There has to be a will and demand in place in the education systems and communities that values and promotes and ensures that the things to achieve these outcomes are in place.
The system that is in place produces the educational outcomes that we see, whether we want them or not.
Do we get what we want or what we deserve?
As a post script, in our three children, (yes I know its a small sample) a sound primary education impacted positively on the outcomes at high school and later at university.
So I think on balance, I still do blame the teachers but at least now you know a little more about why. And parents do have a share in what has and is to happen in the future too.
Maybe there will be some more changes in how we do and how we teach and then we can all LOL together.
Cheers
Chimo
What could go wrong.......................
Hi All
Boy, talk about stir up a hornets nest...............
Ok, I'll own up, I was a teacher and its not all the teachers fault; a lot of "it" is the parents fault partly for years ago letting the education system be changed and losing a lot of what was core to its outcomes.
"problem is a lot of the parents appear to be the same as the kids & have not had the benefit, for whatever reason,of a good education. instead of trying to get their kids to do better & get ahead in life they just keep them at the same level .. quote from DR"
Now, as a GOM I remember being taught manners and hearing good polite converstion at home without most of the negative features of homelife mentioned above.
I also remember being taught to spell and having dictation as part of my school work. I remember being taught about clear thinking and writing many a precis at school.
Then things changed in the education systems around the country and all the details like spelling, dictation tests in class, clear thinking and writing precis etc got dropped in favour of all sorts of nebulous stuff where it was ok as long as the student sort of communicated and spelling and all the other specifics that are the foundation of values and communiction went by the board.
After a while we had teachers teaching children but they themselves had never learned or were taught, the basic skills and we are in trouble and still are as a result of these and other changes. (such as its OK? for F... this and such in a wide range of public and private locations.)
Its a long time since I got out of the education system but while there, I was also a subject moderator involved in statewide standards and examinations. Without a public mood for change and some political will .....................
As a family we made sure our children attended a primary school where they stuck with the basics of reading, writing, rithmatic while other schools in the area went with the trendy stuff.
Our children then went to a state high school where the difference in primary education and the lack of the primary school basics already stood out with some of the children from the "trendy" system.
In high school, the range of skills of the teachers was as wide as the range of their ages and their own education.
So yes it isn't all the parents fault or all the teachers fault but which group of professionals changed the sylabus that impacted initially on the children who became adults and then became teachers (and parents).
Parents certainly play a major role in instilling, teaching and promoting good manners and values and some of the basics of speech values and communication etc.
Teachers need to build on that good knowledge with a lot more of the basics and the older skills that are still missing.
High standards of comprehension and communication don't just fall out of trees. There has to be a will and demand in place in the education systems and communities that values and promotes and ensures that the things to achieve these outcomes are in place.
The system that is in place produces the educational outcomes that we see, whether we want them or not.
Do we get what we want or what we deserve?
As a post script, in our three children, (yes I know its a small sample) a sound primary education impacted positively on the outcomes at high school and later at university.
So I think on balance, I still do blame the teachers but at least now you know a little more about why. And parents do have a share in what has and is to happen in the future too.
Maybe there will be some more changes in how we do and how we teach and then we can all LOL together.
Cheers
Chimo
now thats a better explanation than the original one liner..
don't hold your breath that things are going to improve for a while... the new prep system is going to put a hell of a lot of stress on students & teachers because a lot of teachers are misinterperating how it is supposed to be.. glad i don't have a kid in prep in the next few years..
We live in hope!
Chimo
PS There I was trying to be brief and to the point
What could go wrong.......................
love that one...it may not be the teachers fault but the education system per se.a good % of teachers now-a-days are clueless, they might aswell apply for a job at BCF
Bad spelling, grammar and punctuation are rampant...a product of the system.
Attitudes..now there is a good one...the attitude of the younger generation today leaves a lot to be desired..very few will go the extra yards to try and get ahead...very few will willingly work longer hours without whining about it...all a product of the system. The one item that seems to have become prevalent from the system now is...everyone is a victim..I cannot spell or read properly because my parents cannot. I committed that crime because my parents did it...I did this and that because I am a victim. No one is a victim...everyone can make the decision to change themselves if they really want to.
Now Noel...I likes your yarn abotu the interviews for the PS...I would be different to you..I would encourage them to answer phone calls on their mobiles...at least someone in the PS would be awake often.
As for the emoticons..never used them and never will.
My squeeze is currently studying to be a high school teacher and has, as part of her degree, done a good part of her prac teaching at various high schools. Some of the stories she comes home with are unbelievable and I cannot believe this stuff goes on. There has been instances of her or her supervising teacher asking students to do something, and the ferals turn around and tell them to f#ck off.
Teachers are bound by so many rules (and rightly so), there is nothing they can do to teach these kids if the kids dont want to do it. Get this.... she had a kid that couldn't be bothered listening in on a lesson, so he stuck his iPod in his ears (which he probably stole the little turd), sat up the back of the class and kicked the back of another kids chair for 40 minutes! They asked him to go outside, he refused and was only taken out of the classroom when the kid got sick of him kicking his chair, told him to stop it, and got stabbed with an art nail for his trouble!!!!
This stuff begins at HOME!! I don't claim to be parent of the year as I spend a lot of time away with work, but if my 2 yr old ever turns out like that he will be getting a flogging. The flogging the young fella gets at home will be nothing on the flogging the little a#sehole who stabbed the other kid will get when he winds up in jail.
It's easy to blame teachers, there are good and bad ones, but for the most part they have an incredibly hard job at the more feral schools trying to teach the kids that actually want to learn with all the disruptions caused by the other little tossers whose family trees have no branches.
Geez, sorry about the rant, just realised I am starting to sound like my father!!
Oh yeah.... I hate those smiley things too, but like everything, moderation breeds tolerance.
Shane
WOW, Thats some hard shit you just wrote, I have five children, from 6 to 16 mmmmmmmmmmmmm so much i could say about your thinking.
Let me give you some adivce. Dont hit your kids. Treat them as you like to be treated, its 50/50 when it comes to punishment. If they do something bad, lets say, braking someone else,s toy,[ and its just to be mean] they get the same back, and they Quickly understand, what you give, is what you get in return. With my way of thinking, my 10year old son came back with 15 A,s
on his school report, and treats everyone with respect, and other four
are doing the same. WELL you might need to get another JOB, or a corse
in child psychology. But I do feel for you, and I know what teachers have to put up with. People think parenting is a easy job, its more than a job,
its your children,s lives thats at stake. Kids are Kids, and they should be your best mates. A little old school goes a long way.
I tell my children about feral kids that goes to their school, I say try and talk to them and listen to what they have to say, cause in most cases, its not their fault.
Anyone who wants to become a teacher, ask for more money. I think a $100.000
isnt asking to much.
signed tunaman
Please don't misinterpret my statement of 'flogging'. I got a smack on the backside when I played up, and I have become a well adjusted, contributing member of society and I think that is part of the reason. A smack on the bum never really hurt anyone, and maybe if some of the kids that my girl has to deal with got an occasional one when they were younger they may not be the way they are now. That's all I meant, my little fella is my best mate, and I can't wait for the day I can spend more time at home. I sometimes get a little passionate about these types of things because it annoys the hell out of me when you see some of these kids that have no idea, values or ambition to break the cycle their parents began.....
It's a general statement, we have all seen the types I am talking about
Thanks for the tips Tunaman, points taken onboard mate.
Shane
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