Waldo's Bycatch Photos

[seatime]

At the heart of IT everyone posting on this thread, recs & pros, appear to agree. The problems we see today aren't going to go away on their own.
The depth of research and understanding of the issue displayed has been impressive. It is wonderful such passion exists, and as a result solutions can be found.
Clearly a united front will be the more effective tool of intervention and display of passion and commitment (no"divide and conquer"here).
Here's to success, we all enjoy the same natural resources, cheers.

[rando]

Why would anyone support an industry whose members absolutely refuse to acknowledge ANY of the Rec Fishers concerns or even that we have a right to the resource and whose only interest is their paticular slice of the pie so they can turn a profit,?????

[Derek_Bullock]

Why would anyone support an industry whose members absolutely refuse to acknowledge ANY of the Rec Fishers concerns or even that we have a right to the resource and whose only interest is their paticular slice of the pie so they can turn a profit,?????

Not sure that is a correct statement Rando.

I know that TFPQ has had a lot of discussions with the Pro Industry (perhaps KC could comment). I think we have to be careful that that the few individuals posting on here are not representative of the organisations in general and in a lot of cases are stating their own views.


Derek

[BAIT_MAN]

You are so right Derek

The problem here is that most people do know what goes behind the closed doors because they don’t or wont get involved. It is fine to sit on the fence and have your say but I can tell you that if you were to get involved you soon learn to look at things a very different way and as I have said before we the recos have to work with the pros and the pros have to work with us. All this to get what is the best for everybody involved. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

[Gazza]

Well ,maybe we could team up with the devil, and send the lock-it-up mob to HELL!!

[rando]

I stand corrected. You gentlemen may be privy to the views not expressed here.
However that is the impression I am left with after this debate

[BAIT_MAN]

I stand corrected. You gentlemen may be privy to the views not expressed here.
However that is the impression I am left with after this debate

Rob please dont take any thing to heart it is just that you need to get involved behind closed doors to find out what is going on. Below is a email i got today just to show you that the pros know that they have a problem and that they are trying to address it.

"No worries Shane, thanks for ur reply. As prev. mentioned the attachment contains an overview of the environmental management system with links to the complete draft copy [ which covers the beam,ottter trawl and inshore net fishery] . I think that these documents will cover many of ur questions particularly w/ regard to the beam trawl industry. I think its important to realize that this document has been produced by fishers to proactively deal with issues of sustainability and environmental management.

Many of the issues being brought forward on recco websites such as hoppers for bay trawlers to decrease the mortality of bycatch are identified here as issues profishers must deal with to minimize the impacts arising from our currant harvesting techniques.maybe this is an area in which the recco industry could learn from the pros as there is much funding out there for the development of ems."


Regards Shane

[rando]

Cheers Shane.
If you can Post , It would be helpful to see those discussion papers.

By the way
congratulations on your efforts to take these issues forward on our behalf. You have my support.
cheers
rando

[PinHead]

Interesting about the "behind closed doors" meetings....are these between rec fishos and pros or other bodies such as pros, marine dealerships, tackle shop owners, chandlers etc. I am really interested as to where those that make their living from the fishing & boating industry stand on a lot of these issues as opposed to the issues the pro fishermen have...but then I suppose the dealers, tackle and chandler vendors should also be classed in the pro category as they make their livelihood also from the industry...they are definitely different from the weekend fisho.

[BAIT_MAN]

Interesting about the "behind closed doors" meetings....are these between rec fishos and pros or other bodies such as pros, marine dealerships, tackle shop owners, chandlers etc. I am really interested as to where those that make their living from the fishing & boating industry stand on a lot of these issues as opposed to the issues the pro fishermen have...but then I suppose the dealers, tackle and chandler vendors should also be classed in the pro category as they make their livelihood also from the industry...they are definitely different from the weekend fisho.

Pinhead

It seems that I could haven chosen my words a little wiser. The use of "behind closed doors" was not intended to imply any secret or priviledged discussions or liasons, but to highlight the fact that if you do not attend the public meetings and get involved, there is a very good chance that you may be behind the 8 ball when it comes to current and up to date developments on the issues that interest you. Forums such as this are a great resource and tool, but cannot hope to cover all aspects of every issue.


In relation to the rec fishermen and the commercial and retail sector, I personally think it is important that we focus on fighting our common fight to keep our fisheries open, utilising whatever resources we can muster, because if we lose it, it will be game over for us all.

[rando]

You might call me a deeply cynical type, but after some reflection on Shane's previous post, the fact that a group of Commercial Fishers have recognised an inherent problem with their operation and produced a document of some kind detailing their findings , does not give any assurance that action will be taken.

I rather think that in the abscence of legislation to adopt best practice, it will be left to the discretion of individual operators whether or not to adopt known best practice, and that decision will be based on cost /benefit.

Dont hold your breath
rando