Gee Dad, where were you when the fishing stopped?

[Derek_Bullock]

Hey Waldo

There are heaps of definitions for "harvest" and yes I agree with you and disagree with Phil. #You do not have to "sow" first.

The following is a Google search. #I have bolded a few interesting ones.

Don't you just love the one in red. #

crop: the yield from plants in a single growing season
the consequence of an effort or activity; "they gathered a harvest of examples"; "a harvest of love"

reap: gather, as of natural products; "harvest the grapes"
the gathering of a ripened crop the season for gathering crops

remove from a culture or a living or dead body, as for the purposes of transplantation; "The Chinese are said to harvest organs from executed criminals"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Harvesting is the process of gathering crops off the fields. On smaller farms with minimal mechanization, harvesting is the most labour-intensive activity of the growing season. On large, mechanized farms, harvesting utilizes the most expensive and sophisticated types of farm machinery, like the combine harvester. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest

Harvest, also known as the IBM 7950, was a one-of-a-kind adjunct to the Stretch computer which was installed at the US National Security Agency. It was delivered in 1962 and operated until 1976, when it was decommissioned. It was built by IBM in Poughkeepsie, New York, and its electronics (fabricated of the same kind of discrete transistors used for Stretch) were physically about twice as big as the Stretch to which it was attached. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HARVEST

Harvest is an album by Neil Young, which was the best-selling album of 1972. The album featured several high calibre guests, including the London Symphony Orchestra, Linda Ronstadt, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash and James Taylor. Harvest hit #1 on the Billboard Music Charts (North America) pop albums chart.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_(album)

The total number or poundage of fish caught and kept from an area over a period of time. Note that landings, catch, and harvest are different.
www.ncfisheries.net/stocks/defsf_j.htm

the cutting, felling, and gathering of forest timber.
www.dnr.state.md.us/forests/gloss.html

cutting and gathering a tree crop. In a forest harvest, trees are felled and moved to a central location (landing) for final transport by trucks.
www.sfrc.ufl.edu/Extension/ssfor11.htm

A research project that developed an architecture for distributed searching, including protocols and formats.
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/wya/DigLib.../glossary.html

to gather a crop when it is finished growing; The process of threshing or picking a grain crop by a large machine called a combine. It can also refer to picking vegetable and fruit crops by hand.
http://www.cce.cornell.edu/washingto.../Glossary.html

the act of gathering a crop from the field when it is ripe. Also, the reward for trying hard.
http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnet...ocabulary.html

Electronic file transfer over the Internet of metadata records between repositories. A primary method of transfer is to use the Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting (OAI-PMH).
www.dlese.org/documents/glossary.html

Fish that are caught and retained in a fishery (consumptive harvest).
www.stateofthesalmon.org/resource/glossary.asp

To intentionally gather plants, animals and other natural resources for use, especially renewable resources; a human intervention in the life cycle in order to use a resource. In wildlife management, hunting is considered a form of harvest.
www.spaceforspecies.ca/glossary/h.htm

To take bone marrow from one person and donate to a person needing bone marrow transplant.
www.mcw.edu/peds/mccc/terms.htm

To remove trees from the forest for the purpose of using or selling them
www.ifdn.com/teacher/glossary.htm

the take or consumption of a renewable natural resource by humans
www.fws.gov/midwest/mussel/glossary.html

The word harvest means to collect. We harvest water just as we harvest crops. We wait for it to fall from the sky and collect the run-off in reservoirs.
http://www.education.melbournewater....tent/glossary/

The act of removing shellstock from growing waters and placing the shellstock on or in a manmade conveyance or other means of transport. (2)
www.shellfishquality.ca/glossary.htm

Harvest is picking the grapes and bringing them into the winery. Here in Sonoma County we tend to start harvesting the grapevines in late August or early September and finish sometime in October. Each year varies because growing grapes is an agricultural business.
http://www.chateausouverain.com/souv...n/glossary.jsp

An information discovery and access system
www.netlib.org/utk/papers/lifn/node7.html

To collect plant material at some point during its life cycle.
iss.cet.edu/farm/FIS_RS1.xml

(verb) to catch fish, (noun) those fish which are caught in a fishery.
www.pwsac.com/terms.htm

the season for gathering grain or fruit. On the 16th day of Abib (or April) a handful of ripe ears of corn was offered as a first-fruit before the Lord, and immediately after this the harvest commenced (Lev. 23:9-14; 2 Sam. 21:9, 10; Ruth 2:23). It began with the feast of Passover and ended with Pentecost, thus lasting for seven weeks (Ex. 23:16). The harvest was a season of joy (Ps. 126:1-6; Isa. 9:3). This word is used figuratively Matt. 9:37; 13:30; Luke 10:2; John 4:35. (See AGRICULTURE.)
www.godweb.org/blT0001600.htm

A powerful Net-based search and retrieval system developed at the University of Colorado.
docs.rinet.ru/WebLomaster/appa.htm

The Harvest is the culmination of Blake's agricultural metaphor, un-creating the created world at the end of time; it includes the Last Judgment.
www.blakearchive.org.uk/glossary.html

managed removal of trees by selective or complete harvest methods.
http://www.logging.org/kids/Montana%...r/glossary.htm

That portion of a watershed's in-river harvest that is harvested downstream of the watershed.
www.delta.dfg.ca.gov/camp/glossary.html

means the reduction of wildlife into possession, and includes hunting, trapping, fishing, netting, egging, picking, collecting, gathering, spearing, killing, capturing or taking by any means;
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/agr/nu...eg/art1_e.html

(a) In general use, removing some or all the trees on an area. (b) Technical definition: Removing trees on an area to 1) obtain income; 2) develop the environment necessary to regenerate the forest; and on occasion, 3) achieve some special objectives such as the development of special wildlife habitat needs.
texaspinestraw.tamu.edu/glossary.html

[Derek_Bullock]

Even the CSIRO like the word "harvest" when it comes to describe both recreational and professional fishing. #

Interesting article as well. #

I somehow don't think "harvest" is worth debating.

Commercial and recreational harvest of fish from two Australian coastal rivers

RJ West and GNG Gordon

Commercial and recreational harvests of fish from two eastern Australian coastal rivers, the Richmond and the Clarence, have been compared for the period from March 1988 to May 1989, using commercial fisheries statistics and a roving creel census of daytime recreational anglers. For both rivers, sea mullet (Mugil cephalus) made up about 70% of the commercial catch by weight but was not caught in significant numbers by anglers. Fish species harvested in large numbers by both sectors were yellowfin bream (Acanthopagrus australis), dusky flathead (Platycephalus fiscus), luderick (Girella tricuspidata), sand whiting (Sillago ciliata), mulloway (Argyrosomus hololepidotus) and tailor (Pomatomus saltatrix). For the Richmond River, yellowfin bream, dusky flathead and tailor were harvested principally by recreational anglers; sand whiting were equally shared between fishing sectors, and harvests of luderick and mulloway were dominated by commercial fishers. For the Clarence River, which supports one of the largest estuarine-based commercial fisheries in Australia, tailor were harvested principally by recreational anglers; yellowfin bream, dusky flathead and mulloway were equally shared between fishing sectors, and sand whiting and luderick were taken predominantly by commercial fishers. Although data on recreational fishing throughout Australia are limited, anglers now appear to be the dominant harvesters of several estuarine fish species. As in other parts of the world, the numbers of recreational anglers in Australian waters appear to be increasing, and this situation is likely to lead to both heightened conflict between the user groups and increased exploitation of a limited resource. The need for sustained and cost-effective monitoring of recreational angler effort and harvests is emphasized.

[waldo35]

Recreational fishing is a growing component of the total fishery harvest in many countries, but the impacts of this sector on aquatic resources are often ignored in the management of aquatic systems. Recreational fishing is open access and, in many inshore regions, the recreational harvest exceeds the commercial harvest. The environmental impacts from recreational angling can be both ecologically significant and broad in scope and include: the removal of a considerable biomass of a wide variety of species; discarded by-catch; possible trophic cascades through the removal of higher order carnivores; impacts on habitat through bait harvesting; impacts of introduced and translocated species to support angling fisheries; direct impacts on sea-birds, marine mammals and reptiles; and angler generated pollution. Management, for several reasons, has largely ignored these environmental impacts from recreational fishing. Recreational fishing impacts are cumulative, whereas there is a tendency for consideration of impacts in isolation. Recreational fishing lobbyists have generally been successful in focusing public and political attention on other impacts such as commercial fishing, and recreational fishing has tended not to come under close scrutiny from conservation and environmental groups. Without changes to the monitoring and management of recreational fisheries that incorporate the broad ecological impacts from the activity, it may not be ecologically sustainable in the long term and Australia will not meet its international obligations of protecting aquatic biodiversity. The definition of property rights and appropriate measures to prevent or manage large scale marine restocking are two emerging issues that also need to be addressed.

mmmmmmm further imput on recreational .......dont wanna use the word harvest anymore......how bout effort.

[waldo35]

oops last post from scientific article called
swallowing the bait; is recco fishing ecologically sustainable.

[Gazza]

Recreational fishing is open access and, in many inshore regions, the recreational harvest exceeds the commercial harvest.

ONLY in "many" inshore areas.......

must be a typo.....should be "ALL"

[MulletMan]

Geez Phil, you got me!
I was handing out cards for ......................aaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh ........... Labor!!
I have sinned................... am unworthy!
When the next election comes around I won't be repeating the same mistake.
Will find the nearest TFP candidate and help him/her.....................
Think you should stand for the spot eh?

[waldo35]

and again gazza ur foto showing bout 2;1 catch to bycatch.....nice looking shot.

[Gazza]

I'll settle for 3:1 bycatch to target , and call it "Prawn Marinara"

Mate ,
I'll buy shares in ya trawler when ya catch prawns and pillies ONLY

[webby]

Somewhere along the line someone has to ask the question on catch sharing.
When do us reck's get our equitable share, given our much greater participation level.
The answer is, when us rec's get off our apathetic, complacent bum and make our feelings known at a political level.
Excuse me for getting cranky, but dont expect too much sympathy for the whingeing most rec's indulge in "Bloody Pros" not leaving us any fish, when invariably the same person will make a comment to effects "I dont want to know about fishing politics...its Bullshit; i just want to go fishing".
While we continue to avaid fishing politics. branding it "Bullshit" and refusing to get involved, we really cant complain about the commerical fishery taking all they can get.
after all, its business to them. It's "Us" rec's who fish as a pastime and pay lip service to esoteric values like conservation of fish stocks.
While we allow them to, the commerical fishery will continue to take as big a slice as they can get. And in all honesty, how can you blame them for it?.
Any other businessman in any other line of business would treat their competition exactly the same.
Where all full of comment on these type sites, but how many are willing to sacrifice some of their time or exert a little energy to help our cause.
Until we all combine as one, we will get no where.
regards

[Lucky_Phill]

Yes, you #are quite correct waldo...........that is the dictionary defination.

So here's a snippet from my own research, which I still find does not support the Harvest word as being associtaed with what the Commercial Fishing does.

v. har·vest·ed, har·vest·ing, har·vests
v. tr.

To gather (a crop).
To take or kill (fish or deer, for example) for food, sport, or population control.
To extract from a culture or a living or recently deceased body, especially for transplantation: harvested bone marrow.
To gather a crop from.

Quite clearly, grains are gathered, but more importantly, the orange text section does not refer to Take or Kill for Monetary Gain, it clearly states for #" food, sport, or population control." Therefore this includes the rec fisho, as he ( she ) takes for food, sport.

Yeah, Yeah, I know, clutching at straws I am........

Dunno. I will sleep on it. !

Cheers #Phill

[MulletMan]

Well said Webby! Right on the mark!
Have a look at the number of readers who showed an interest in the two items under FISHING NEWS being about Moreton Bay and Fishing Rights!
Two (2) per subject!
Nobody wants to do anything - even post a reply!
All just too hard isn't it!!
Get more response from readers in how to clean a damn fish head than you do in getting some interest in doing (anything) re the above two items!
sad - sad - sad!

[bidkev]

Perhaps the people who are *really* doing something are that involved that they don't have time to read here?

Yes, I agree, it appears that there is a lot of apathy but human nature being as it is, we all (hopefully) do what we can when we can.

I feel that posting about people's "inadequacies" though is not the correct way to ellicit input or instigate action. It is counter productive and it only serves to alienate those, who at a more opportune time, may be of some service. All you achieve by this kind of response to lack of response is to get up people's noses.

kev

Tread softly, make ground steadily, make no noise until you get there.

[waldo35]

kev do u make ur own homilies or are u quoting.......last 1 has sumthing of suntzu to it.

[waldo35]

webby reccos need to make up their mind wether they are an industry or not. if u r and as u state u r in competition for the same resource then perhaps u should pay to use the resource in the same way pros do ,[please dont give me the fuel tax etc argument it dont wash] and have a logbook reporting system the same way pros do. otherwise u r arguing for an unrestricted industry to by in competition with a restricted industry and as far as im aware this is against any anti unfair competion legislation.

[Gazza]

Hi Waldo ,still chucking grenades mate ...good onya

competition for the same resource then perhaps u should pay to use the resource in the same way pros do

k.i.s.s.
Pro's pay a licence ,to enable them to SELL ,no licence ,no sell

Rec's own 100% of Q'ld (as taxpayers) ,some are rec-divers,some are rec-spearo's , some are rec-fisho's , no licence, no SELL

and have a logbook reporting system the same way pros do

k.i.s.s.
Pro's have logbooks/cheatsheets to support their Tax deductions ,as a business ,and rightly so.....

Rec's use net income $$$ , to spend/invest in the resource/economy ,with no Tax deductibility allowed or expected, and rightly so.....