Cleveland Forum on Moreton Bay

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Its now time for Sunfish and BIAQ to get off their butts, and get the ball rolling, and not be left up to a few individuals.
The Boat SHow coming up is a good start for BIAQ to really get some names on paper, and that means every man, women and child and there dogs that walks through those doors or buys a ticket, should leave with a signature left behind.
Yes we can all do our bit, but these two governing bodies and their sub bodies, should be meeting now and planning for these supposed closurers and demands.
Yes there were plenty of Government heads at the meeting both state and federal, but there are elections due in the forceibile future and it was a good place for them to start their campaigns and gain a little support, i wonder if there were no elections forcast would these numbers of the above have turned up and voiced their opionions, time will tell.
Every tackle, marine, bait shop, seafood outlet, commerical and anyone affilliated with these should have thse petitions in front of the cash registers now, not months down the track.
Or some of them could find if the Epa/greens get there way, they could and will be looking for new employment.
It wouldnt take and i am willing to volunteer to stand at a boat ramp for a day and collect signatures.
So what are we going to do, sit back and say "She'll be rite mate" or get off our butts and act.
regards

[BAIT_MAN]

Shane,

Has anyone got a definitive plan of what the EPA propose to do yet?
Or is it everyone just having a bit of a guess.
When do you think they will start calling for submissions etc?
Everyone seems to have their own spin on it.

Hicksy

Hichsy
As to a definitive plan how long is a piece of string. All we know is that the AMCS is calling for 30-50% closurers to moreton bay. That said if we just sit with our heads in the sand they will close as much as they can because there is no one apposed to the closurers. We all now what has happened up in the far north. DPI&F own survey showed that there was a 42% downturn in rec fishing since the green zones came into force on the barrier reef and it has cost the federal gov $150 million dollars so far and it is still going up.
As for your question on submissions. This will depend on when we go to the polls. If Bettie calls a election in september and wins i would bet that they start the process in march 2007 and imperment there charges in 2008. Yes we will be asked for our imput but just like before it will go stright in the bin. If Bettie calls an election any time next year that is a diffent kettel of fish. IMO

Regards Shane

[BAIT_MAN]

Its now time for Sunfish and BIAQ to get off their butts, and get the ball rolling, and not be left up to a few individuals.
The Boat SHow coming up is a good start for BIAQ to really get some names on paper, and that means every man, women and child and there dogs that walks through those doors or buys a ticket, should leave with a signature left behind.
Yes we can all do our bit, but these two governing bodies and their sub bodies, should be meeting now and planning for these supposed closurers and demands.
Yes there were plenty of Government heads at the meeting both state and federal, but there are elections due in the forceibile future and it was a good place for them to start their campaigns and gain a little support, i wonder if there were no elections forcast would these numbers of the above have turned up and voiced their opionions, time will tell.
Every tackle, marine, bait shop, seafood outlet, commerical and anyone affilliated with these should have thse petitions in front of the cash registers now, not months down the track.
Or some of them could find if the Epa/greens get there way, they could and will be looking for new employment.
It wouldnt take and i am willing to volunteer to stand at a boat ramp for a day and collect signatures.
So what are we going to do, sit back and say "She'll be rite mate" or get off our butts and act.
regards

Weddy
As always no punches pulled here. Mate i need to tell you that the BIAQ have got off their butts and they put together the Reef Grief forum http://www.ausfish.com.au/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1152928466 . They allow TFPQ into the Tinnie and Tackle Show and now we have just been invited into the Boat Show and the end of the month. So you can see that they are starting to get involved. As for Sunfish and Recfish you are right they need to come out of hidding and show their hands.

Regards Shane

[Bowser]

Shane,

They also invite the QNPWS, who stand mutely around professing no intention to deny us access to the bay and professing that fair and reasonable discussion will take place before any decision is made. Forgive me for my cynicism but they also claim that the decision on grey nurse conservation zones was made amidst fair, reasonable and open discussion and that all views were taken into account. I just don’t seem to recall any discussion taking place and to add insult to injury, the group most largely responsible to the reduction in grey nurse numbers, divers, is given unfettered access to the zone!

The BIAQ must use their political and financial clout to ensure that the media tart takes the views of the majority into account whilst protecting the bay. We need front page headlines declaring industry and job losses unless Beattie declares his intentions publicly before the early election. This is the only sort of pressure, people voting with their hip pocket nerve, that he will understand. Rage at public meetings will only result in adverse platitudes in the media and bland acceptance of the closures by the ill-informed voting public. The subject must be forced into the public’s mind above the utter lies that will become the norm regarding water shortages & inadequate health and educational services that will be the gist for the media mill over the next months prior to the election.

[GES]

about it - Blame yourself!!

Final thought..... cant blame the extreme greens.. at least their doing something about their beliefs - at least they're taking action - What are you doing?? [/quote]

Adam
I wrote an email to Hon Desley Boyle MP, Minister for Environment etc and told her, in essence, that my family members, fisher-friends and I would "not be happy Jan" if draconian regulations or unrealistic closures to fishing in Moreton Bay were introduced by her Government.
Very simple but if she gets enough of those type of emails/letters it will strike home. That's what can be done on a personal level and then we can do as others have suggested here and elsewhere on this forum as a collective group of fishers/voters.
Speak NOW or forever hold your peace people.

GES

[Derek_Bullock]

Shane,

They also invite the QNPWS, who stand mutely around professing no intention to deny us access to the bay and professing that fair and reasonable discussion will take place before any decision is made. Forgive me for my cynicism but they also claim that the decision on grey nurse conservation zones was made amidst fair, reasonable and open discussion and that all views were taken into account. I just don’t seem to recall any discussion taking place and to add insult to injury, the group most largely responsible to the reduction in grey nurse numbers, divers, is given unfettered access to the zone!

The BIAQ must use their political and financial clout to ensure that the media tart takes the views of the majority into account whilst protecting the bay. We need front page headlines declaring industry and job losses unless Beattie declares his intentions publicly before the early election. This is the only sort of pressure, people voting with their hip pocket nerve, that he will understand. Rage at public meetings will only result in adverse platitudes in the media and bland acceptance of the closures by the ill-informed voting public. The subject must be forced into the public’s mind above the utter lies that will become the norm regarding water shortages & inadequate health and educational services that will be the gist for the media mill over the next months prior to the election.

This is what a Democracy is all about. Everyone is entitled to their say. Then at the end of the day the majority vote for the leaders of the future. Thats what happened in the last State and Federal Elections. Thats how we got Horard as PM and Beattie as Premier. Thats how we got all these rules and regulations that affect our fishing.

MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT NEXT TIME


Derek

[PinHead]

I believe that Beattie will call an election prior to the end of this year and he will be basing his platform on the water problems...this will hide the health debacle and also other items such as the closures etc...he cannot go full term on these items..they are building the pipeline from Luggage Point to Swanbank and Tarong at the moment..pending approval of the recycled water votes they will then run a branch of this pipe into Somerset..he needs this approval to save some face.

The time for action is now and I believe the following need to be advised that their livelihood may be at stake:
Every boat dealer and manufacturer.
Every Marina operator
Every marine service centre
Every Tackle manufacturer, wholesaler and retailer
Every Boat Hire Operator
Every Bait wholesaler
Every chandlery store
etc etc

And of course..every boat owner and angler.

Moreton Bay runs from Caloundra to the Gold Coast...a huge area which encompasses all types of boating and fishing activity.

I believe that emails should be sent to all the above businesses seeking their support..if they are not interested in supporting this issue then perhaps boaties and anglers should not support them. If these business do not have email then a flyer mailed or delivered to them...included in same would be a request for a petition to be placed in their premises in a prominent location for their customers to peruse and sign if they wish.

Webby's suggestion of petitioning at every boat ramp also has merit..it would need quite a large number of people to initiate same but it does need to be done...I would make myself available for this.

I do not believe that sending an email to the Ministers office is worth the effort...the Ministers rarely read their emails...they have staff for this...if it is not of paramount importance it would not passed on.

Getting the attention of marine industries and retailers etc as well as the users of the Bay is the preferred way to get some action.

[Adamy]

about it - Blame yourself!!

Final thought..... cant blame the extreme greens.. at least their doing something about their beliefs - at least they're taking action - What are you doing??
Adam
I wrote an email to Hon Desley Boyle MP, Minister for Environment etc and told her, in essence, that my family members, fisher-friends and I would "not be happy Jan" if draconian regulations or unrealistic closures to fishing in Moreton Bay were introduced by her Government.
Very simple but if she gets enough of those type of emails/letters it will strike home. That's what can be done on a personal level and then we can do as others have suggested here and elsewhere on this forum as a collective group of fishers/voters.
Speak NOW or forever hold your peace people.

GES

Good work Ges!!! At the individual level we can all do a little - its like water in a bucket - every drop helps... (I was going to say something about it taking a lot of drips to fill it up... but then I thought I didnt like the implication ) perhaps the drips are the greens - filling up their own poisonous bucket of vile

And yes - we have to get the whole industry to act - we have to get organised and get professional - like our opposition... other wise we are gunna get creamed!