Greens Secret Deal to Close Bay

[Sportfish_5]

LMAO Lippa

Enough to make a man sell his boat and fishin gear

[Captian_Zero]

I have been a member of this site for a few years, am a keen recreational fisherman and am involved at a committe level at a local fishing club. I do not want to see fishing banned in Moreton Bay. I am also a long time member of the ALP.

I think it is important that there is a balance in the discussion about secret preference deals particularly given the Fishing Party made a preference deal with the Nationals in the 2004 federal election that helped get Barnaby Joyce over the line into the senate. Kevin Collins was interviewed by the ABC in the attached link defending the preference deal. The Green's Drew Hutton is voicing a similar to complaint to that been voiced by The Fishing Party in their recent press release. Kevin Collins confirms there was a preference deal in return for a review of the Barrier reef closures.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...4/s1227207.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs

The Fishing Party needs to be consistent and decide if it is against secret preference deals or only against secret preference deals that do not favour them.

In addition the Liberal/National coalition at the federal level were the one's that introduced the fishing bans on the Barrier Reef. The Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority is a federal body and there has been a coalition government at the federal level for 10 years. It is difficult to characterise the coalition as pro fishing and ALP as anti-fishing based on the evidence as both have made decision that the Fishing party has not agreed with.


Regards

Chris

[seatime]

That's smashing Chris, thanks for your input, if you own a boat and it's aluminium, you're lucky, aluminium is recyclable. The fishing rods can be mounted on the wall, and will be antiques in no time.

It's hard for dyed in the wool Labor supporters to accept that their party may lie to them, but it's true. The local candidate in Cleveland is gasping for air because his masters have left him hang out to dry on this issue.

It's hotted up so much the Greens have dropped their preference deals, not sure who's up who and who hasn't paid at this stage. But everyone suspects there is still a cosy deal done between Labor and Green.

It's quite simple, if you and your family and your friends wish to continue to enjoy Moreton Bay, and you live in the Cleveland electorate;

VOTE 1 - Shane Boese. IND (TFPQ)

If you don't live in Cleveland, put Labor last on your ballot, or not at all.

regards
Steve.

[charleville]

To be honest, I would love to avoid anything too heady this year. I just want to go fishing.

However, I have been reading the multitudinous posts about this topic including the scientific arguments in another thread to try to understand where the truth lies amongst the passion and I must confess to finding the whole debate really confusing.

I am also sceptical of the possibility of any logical rationale whenever politics is involved. I am sure that statisticians will agree with me that there are liars, damn liars and then there are politicians.

So when I read all of the passion that is being directed around the topic and decide that I should have a look at the Green site to see what they are saying, I find that they state agreement with what Shane Boese is saying and the BIAQ as copied below, I am indeed confused.

[essky]

I read that article today as well. It made me think, and I may get shot down for this but, in many ways, the greens and fisherman share many common goals. Protectection of mangrove habitat, projects for rehabilitation of banks are all in our common good

Unfortunately, there is the more extreme element amongst them who wish force the unrealistic and unfair views upon the rest of us and would probably wish to turn us all into vegans as well.

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Chris

I agree in part. Deals seem to be the way of politics, but Kevin admitted it. If thats the way the game is played - then ... well you have to play the game, like it or not.

But this one has touched me personally.

I brought up the issue of done deals to Deputy Premier Anna Bligh. she told me to my face "no" (well she used more words)

Then I read the Greens press release and a journalist friend I truist confirms it in a call to the Greens spokesperson. Other leaks have confimed said the same thing.

Doing a deal - thats politics. But either someone lied to my face or someone lied in a written media release.

The ALP use to look after workers ( and their fishing) but now the green faction within Labor is taking over. Thats not from me but from Gary Gray, former Federal secretary ( next to me on a 1 hour flight)

[Captian_Zero]

Steve

I was only trying to add a bit of balance to the discussion and ask that it be recognised that these things go on all the time on all sides of politics and they are not right regardless of the political allegiances of the participants.

If there is a secret preference deal between the ALP and Greens, I am not condoning it in the same way that supporters of TFPQ should not condone it if they have done secret preference deals it in the past. I would be interested to see Kevin Collins response to this.

What the Greens are being accused of is exactly what the Fishing Party is being accused of in 2004. You can't defend one and criticise the other.


Regards

Chris

[seatime]

Chris

The most abhorrent part of all this mess is fisho's had to immerse themselves in the political quagmire just to be listened to.
We are all sick and tired of the verbal diarrhoea dished out by all sides of politics. Labor just happens to be more of an enemy in this election.
It actually goes against the precepts of fishing, which is supposed to be a relaxing stress free pastime.
To maintain our lifestyles and our rights we have reduced ourselves to their level, so when in Rome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,. And I for one am ready to take it to them, boots and all.
that's enough cliche's for now,

regards
Steve.

[hicksy]

Gary and Gelsec,

A qoute from Peter Costello following the last federal election.
Mr Costello also said the delivery of 28,000 protest votes from the Fishing Party to The Nationals in the Queensland Senate battle would not sway the government from its plans to protect the Great Barrier Reef.

Earlier this year, the federal government introduced laws which included fishing bans on more than a third of the reef.

The Fishing Party stitched up a preference deal with the Nationals on the understanding there would be a review of the decision, but Mr Costello said any future changes were unlikely.

"We have announced protection of the reef and as part of that there are areas where fishing is not allowed and other areas where other licences have been bought back and we are paying compensation to those fishermen," he said.

"Now you can always argue at the margin where the zones should be, but the deal is a deal that we've entered into to protect that wonderful asset.

"We won't be reopening the deal as a whole."Costello said.

[Commodore]

i think i mentioned this about 23rd August , few pages back, but people seemed i was making it up

[kc]

Someone with more time on their hands than me can connect all the posts on this issue but in dot point form.

TFPQ never did a "secret" deal with the Nats...it was totally out in the open. We rang all the major parties before the election and the only one to actually take us seriuosly was the National Party.

We were, and still are, pissed off with the federal Government over RAP...nothing has changed EXCEPT they are accepting their responsibilities for the lives and businesses they have "stuffed up" (Ron Boswells words) and are at least trying to compensate people.

Nothing we do is in secret...we are an open book and this site and my comments are testimony to that fact. Everything we do, every issue we fight for and every cause we take on is public property and posted here. Ausfish is, to us, both our eyes and ears and our sounding board.
TFPQ is not your garden variety political party....we are just a vehicle by which our members and supporters can voice their opinions INSIDE the main game.

So much of what is written about us is absolute BS........BUT we wear it as a badge of honour when the experts (The Greens) attack us as being "a narrow interest group with too much influence over government policy"............coming from the ^#$ experts, that is sensational.

FOR THE RECORD

It is illegal to do "deals" in exchange for preferences.

BUT

A party can articulate it concerns and then, on behalf of its members, allocate its preferences to the party which best represents its interests in the political process.

SO.

What did TFPQ "articulate" before the last Federal election ...hmmmm!

We tried to "articulate" our concerns and ideas to the Libs....we are still waiting for them to get back to us.

We tried to "articulate" them to Labor, who, for all intents and purposes just said..."the who?....The Fishing Party....yeh right...f^$ off idiot"

We then tried the Nats who said...."be on a plane this afternoon"

On meeting Ron Boswell (4 hours after the call)..we "articulated" our issues.

We said it is very unfair that the compensation being offered to business effected by the GBR rezoning is being restricted to commercial fishing only...what about all the rec fishing related businesses...."Yep!.fair call...I think we should do something about that" said Sen. Boswell.

What about making sure Recfish is funded so we have a permanent and resourced peak body representing rec fishing in Canberra........"bloody good idea" said Ron.

We think there should be a program of Government funding (The recreational fishing enhancement grants program) to repair some of the damage caused to the industry by the green lobby....."yep...The national party already thinks the same thing."

Finally we said....That GBRMPA is out of control...it needs a review undertaken and a king size reality check....someone needs to take control of this organisation before it gets completely out of hand......Senator Ron told us the Nationals were already on the case and it would form part of the National election policy.

SO..........................We said, Ron, mate, if that is where your party stands on those issues important to us (& the other bastards won't even talk to us)....you've got yourself some preference votes.....(after they do the rounds of The New Country Party & One Nation before you get your hands on them).


Chris....this is it....The absolute (if slightly tongue in cheek) version of the events leading up to our preference "deal" with the Nationals.

I am personally quoted on ABC as saying wew were politically niave...guilty as charged.

I am quoted on the ABC as saying all fisherman are liars...so maybe we will make good politicians...this was a slip of the tongue....what I meant to say is all politicians are liars so maybe they will make good fishermen

Chris, we (I) am not polticians. we are fishers...our backs to the wall, a great sense or moral outrage and (for better or worse) the ball has fallen at the feet of a few people (myself one of them) who just said f*%^ it...enough is enough. I am sick of these self serving bastards getting away with this and am going to try to do something about it.

We will stuff up, we will make mistakes, we will get it wrong sometimes and sure as the sun rises we/I will put my foot in it from time to time.

HOWEVER..................TFPQ is doing this for the right reasons and is no bodies "lacky" (as we have been described as).......hence we are not preferencing ANYBODY in 2 of the 4 seats we are standing in.

We have been attacked again today by some d%$head from the tourism industry for having too much influence on the National party.....what this (and other wan*&s) forget it that "we" are just a collective of "you" the people who vote for us, and last time I looked this was still a democracy.

Sorry to be on my high horse a bit............mind you for a short, fat, bald guy, a high horse gives a pretty good view................but I get a bit antsy when we cop it in the neck from people with ideological views of political parties which defy logic.

I have said it before but I will say it again...and no doubt upset a few........Anyone who takes a view that one side of politics is always right and the other always wrong is just too narrow minded.

Surely the "swinging" voter is the smart one. Look, listen, learn, consider the time, circumstances and situation and then make a decision based on what is best for now and the future.

Peronally I think anyone with a locked in attitude that ANY party (TFPQ included) is always the only party they will vote for can't see the forest for the trees.

Anyhow....I'll get down now, I hate having to get uppity, I'll go have a bex and a quite lie down now.

Right here, right now, a vote for TFPQ is a vote to keep recreational fishing a political hot potato.....all things going well, in a few years time, we won't even need a fishing party because we will have made our point and Governments, off all sides, will no longer treat us as doormats to walk over while they pander for green party preferences.

Chris I hope this explains the where/what/how of "us".............we are not the answer, but we are giving fishing a voice in the main game.

KC

[Hornblower]

The things to remember is that percentage wise, we are NOT a minority group, it is the greens who are. But the problem is that we, as a group of course, are generally apthetic compared to people who have been rallying and objecting and protesting their whole adult lives.

I don't advocate that we shouls start chaining ourselves to channel beacons, but what I am saying is that we need to be recognised as a reputable body, and the Fishing Party and the Moreton Bay Access Alliance are doing their best, but we need to start writing letters to the editor and to our pollies and putting legitimate academic questions to these people and show them we are not a bunch of rednecks of well informed, educated (in life and experience and intelligence), and this website demonstrates that every member has that quality.

Cheers