Attached is a link to the AMCS website expressing their disappointment at our rally yesterday.
They have even seen the need to bring the recent, needless slaughter of the Victorian seals into the argument over the protection of Moreton Bay.
http://www.amcs.org.au/default2.asp?active_page_id=302
From link:
Bohm continued, “Less than 1% of Moreton Bay Marine Park is fully protected and most agree that this is not enough. The Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) recently announced that in less than 2 years after the rezoning of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, some fish species are already 60% more abundant in the fully protected ‘green zones’ than in fished areas. The fully protected green zones are clearly working on the Great Barrier Reef and can also offer Moreton Bay great benefits to its marine life and its productivity.”
Who the hell is most? There is no declaration as to what data pool he is refering to. The rest is just repeating the anecdotal BS that is never referenced or proven for the likes of those who don't/can't put their heads under the water.
If their seriously is an overuse problem in Morton Bay wouldn't the Transport Department or better still VMR be the best qualified to produce data (boating activity, accident data due to proximity/concentration of vessels)? I've seen none.
I'm sure it exists and I'm sure usage has increased but there would then be a requirement to verify their BS by matching % increase usage with % decrease in bioavailability (pro fishing data will be flawed due to poor reporting & historical industry changes which will be misrepresented in the data to protect personal and industry interests.)
Myself, being a layman can only hear what I've been told but I'm wise enough to understand that we'll only ever be told what suits the preconceived outcome by these regulatory bodies that are and should not be representative of the interests of all users.
However, I've never seen or heard of any data existing (as with RAP in GBR) of historical numbers of fish stocks, population decline or increase that any increased values can be examined against. And if they do exist, don't send me a bloody PDF or CD containing the data; tell everyone, in plain language, reference it and be prepared to dabate it openly in the public arena!
We're not all intelectuals but we do know what BS is.
Any fishing is good fishing(should probably say Any fishing is...probably going to be illegal soon)
i dont get the link between the rally yesterday and the slaughter of the seals???
i havent heard from anyone that they condone the seal slaughter
its unbelievable to me it seem the imply all fishos would simply open another can of beer whilst enjoying wathcing the news with the footage of the carcasses of fur seals
Originally Posted by puks
Maybe the curent XXXX and BCF ads are not helping the cause as a lot of people think that the sort of person being portrayed in the ads is typical of rec fisherman.
I noticed they (AMCS) are still quoting the sham survey on the Byron Bay Marine Park which claimed the locals (including recreational fishers) supported the Park. The survey was conducted by uni students asking 200 people on the beach if they supported a park. Most of them were backpackers and tourists who could not give a local postcode. The full extent of the park was not revealed at this time.
When the time came for actual submissions on the park 95% of local responses were against it!
The AMCS are liars and charletons!
Maybe the curent XXXX and BCF ads are not helping the cause as a lot of people think that the sort of person being portrayed in the ads is typical of rec fisherman.[/quote]
fully agree
doint get me started on ads one of my pethates because of the clichees >
anya
What the likes of AMCSW, AIMS and GBRMPA continually do is shoot themselves in the foot by using dodgey science and connecting such stupid and non representive issues like the seal slaughter to rec fishing in general.
Here we had all the best "science", typically doom and gloom, telling us the sky was falling and it would take 5 to 7 years before we saw any improvements in fish stocks on the GBR..then.bugger me, 2 weeks before an election with rec fishing & Moreton Bay access suddenly an issue......all is well after just 2 years.
They might fool the press and the general public but these "witch doctors" will get what's coming to them.
As TFPQ grows in profile and the mainstream press start to take notice, all will be revealed. They have had it too bloody easy for too long and it is about time their lies were exposed.
KC
Would not surprise me if that statistic was true. If the same number if people are forced to fish a smaller area, there will naturally be more preasure on that area compared to a non fished area. Is a bit of a catch 22. If they use that as an argument to increase protected zones, then the fishing area will be less and thus the percentage will go up.
I was once told that there are lies, and there are damn lies, and then there are statistics.
Sounds like Mr Bohm is worriedThat is quite a long bow linking the seals to the rally yesterday.
Has he actually talked with any of the Fishing Party or Moreton Bay Alliance
Looks like I will be throwing out all my Powderfinger CDs too >>
AMCS
And what a load of bullshi? they bring up to object with.
Well the fisherman/folks must be getting under their skin if this is all they can think of.
Well the rally is what is needed, Media is the way to go but to bring out that type of BS they must be getting desperate.
If you cant fight with facts, bring on the hysteria .
That would be their motto wouldn't it
Must be heading in the right direction with rally, if that is there reasoned argument.
Trev
Fish for the future, enjoy the present but think of your children.
Absolutely!! - Amen to what KC said!!
In addition to that when they say "most agree that 1% is not enough" the data pool they are drawing off is their own skewed "survey". The way their survey is worded indicates if you do not agree with their point of view then you are an environmental vandal.
They use questions like: Do you believe we should protect endangered species in Moreton bay?
Then they ask a follow up question like what percentage of these creatures should we protect? with the tone of the previous questions, if you answer anything under 100% - you look like an evil killer.
The survey is skewed (not even) and so the results do not reflect the opinions of the average person. Their "science" is similarly skewed. It sounds pretty obvious but its this kind of "science" and "public opinion" is what is getting our fishing grounds closed. When they release the findings of the survey or scientific data, they seldom publish the methodology and the questions used to obtain the data. If they released this info - it would be very obvious how the data is irrelevant to the outcomes they are trying to achieve. In statistic terms we call this a type 1 error...
I hope that helps explain some of their rhetoric... so whenever you see a claim - or "survey result" ask to see the methodology or a copy of all the questions asked.... the devil is in the detail.
So when Billfisher says that AMCS are liars and Charletons - I couldn't agree more - this is HOW they do it.
Any of you greenies here who are monitoring this site care to refute?? If so please supply the list of survey questions - the responses and methodology behind your "scientific data". Unfortunately I didnt save your stupid survey when I filled it out...
Oh yes... AND at the end of the survey they asked how many people you were representing with your thoughts - so one individual (tree hugger) could have filled in it 100 times and said he was representing 1000 or more people each time - so each reply was biased - may have looked like the whole of Queensland wanted Moreton Bay closed.
I notice the survey was removed last week along with the claim of wanting 30-50% closures. Sneaky little greenies >
Statistics show that 49.725% of all statistics are made up
Statistics show that 49.725% of all statistics are made up
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I recently had this discussion with Gary Fooks - I thought it was 49.726% Now I'm confused
From the AMCS website
"The 10 year review of Moreton Bay Marine Park offers us an exiting opportunity ..."
Does that mean they will leave the issue alone now
I saw that also Steve..had a chuckle over it. Sent them an email.
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