been in many debates over the year with mates and many others of which is worse, commercial or recreational, i personally think commercial has more impact. I am curios to see what you think.
cheers m
Gday Matt
Im going to hold off voting on this one because it should'nt be about whos's having the most impact ,it's about the damage being done as a whole and how can we as a whole come together and minimise the effects of our ways on the environment. No im not a greeny just concerned about the future of fishing.
Dave.
I think it depends on what fishery we are looking at and where it is.
I would suggest that in both cases the impact should be such that the effort is sustainable in the long term
Neil
Which party has the greater impact would also vary according to the species and location. A hot debate though.
Yeah, some women actually know a thing or two about fishing. Who knew?
http://alchemyfishing.blogspot.com.au/?m=1
I think I know where I stand atm
What I am strongly against is estuarine netting by pros particularly in small breeding systems such as the Pine. There are 4 licences (to the best of my knowledge) for that small fishery and despite BRD's one only has to follow the trawlers in there to see the dead floating by-catch. BRD's are effective only where the fish is mature enough to swim faster than the trawl, and small fish, being more susceptible to injury, are less likely to escape.
I am amazed at just how many dead juvenile trevors can be found floating behind these trawls in comparison to the amount of mature specimens caught in this area......that has to indicate something.
Weighed up against recreational catches in that area??? It's a long time since anyone had a really good day on the Pine, that I know of (or else they're keeping it quiet). A couple of lizards and 3 or 4 bream seems exceptional this year and a blank seems the norm for most who used to once catch regularly.
kev
Well this is sure to be a one sided poll seeing as the majority of us on here are rec fishos. If there was a Commercial Fisho forum and the same poll was raised I am sure that it would swing the other way. I did say commercial in my vote by the way.I'd like to believe that there is a great percentage of us who catch and release, another great percentage who go fishing and catch nothing but a workboot or shopping trolly, and a small percentage of us who occasionally get a feed.
Can't see how rec fishermen/women could seriously impact the fish stocks.
Regards,
Poodroo
He who aims at nothing is sure to hit it.
Originally Posted by kingtin
I think I know where I stand atm
What I am strongly against is estuarine netting by pros particularly in small breeding systems such as the Pine. There are 4 licences (to the best of my knowledge) for that small fishery and despite BRD's one only has to follow the trawlers in there to see the dead floating by-catch. BRD's are effective only where the fish is mature enough to swim faster than the trawl, and small fish, being more susceptible to injury, are less likely to escape.
I am amazed at just how many dead juvenile trevors can be found floating behind these trawls in comparison to the amount of mature specimens caught in this area......that has to indicate something. #
Weighed up against recreational catches in that area??? It's a long time since anyone had a really good day on the Pine, that I know of (or else they're keeping it quiet). A couple of lizards and 3 or 4 bream seems exceptional this year and a blank seems the norm for most who used to once catch regularly.
kev
ditto that kev
keep the pro's at sea I reckon, at least till stocks improve - the poor ole pine has just about been raped to empty...
the first question is:
Is there being any damage done?
if there is where is the proof in both qualitative and quantitive forms.
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Poodroo
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I think if you added up ALL the rec fisho's that fish over a year, then tally their catch, you may be surprised!!!!!
Add the idiots of all kinds, small fish, too many fish, etc,
Muzz
Both of these industries will always exsist in Queensland, so as mentioned in previous posts the issue here is to make sure that the impacts are sustanible as a whole. Also that there is a balance of fairness between recocreational and commercial sectors. After seeing what happened in north Queensland with all the green zone both reco and commercial sectors need to band together. I beleive that both sectors have great concern for the future of this uindustry, from a recreational point of view it is an important leisure activity and from a commercial point of view it provides incomes and employment andwell as a fresh feed for those who don't fish.
At least at the moment the DPI in Queensland is having a real go at keeping fish for the future, at present there is a restructure of inshore fish management, with bags limits and reducing number of commercial licenses and applying quotas.
I think the biggest difficulty comes with the ever growing population in Queensland.
So my answer to the question is that the resource needs to be managed in a fair way between reco and commercial whilst being sustainible.
Well onerabbit you may be right or you maybe wrong too. There is no evidence supporting that we as a whole are affecting fish stocks. I just did a Mud Island trip with Scalem last Saturday and considering how many Ausfishers said they were going to be on the Bay we practically had it all to ourselves and only met one Ausfisher being Marlin Mike. Out of all the people who own boats and like to fish the bay just as an example given that the weather was picture perfect I was expecting to have to fight for a spot out there but it was surprisingly empty. The fact that people catch undersized fish and keep them, or perhaps catch more than the legal bag limit but I would like to think that these sorts of people are very much a minority group. When we go out and see loads of fish on the sounder I know that they are their in great numbers. I have also seen quotes from people who scuba dive around the reefs and they are in awe at the quantity of fish and the quality. I have yet to be convinced otherwise that we collectively as a fishing community are depleating the fish stocks too significantly. I still catch fish in the Bay and I still catch them in the Pin yet people say these places are fished out.
Poodroo
He who aims at nothing is sure to hit it.
sorry I voted the pro's. I still beleive they should be able to earn a living, but, I go with pharkmeh and kingtin, keep em out to sea so that a least the large by catch (which is mostly dead) can be returned as food. Netting esturine areas not only rapes the area but destroys what little area the fish have left to breed and live. Once you strip an area bare then it is pretty much stuffed without being artificialy rebuilt and we know how the greenies feel about human intervention.
I have been involved in both industries and there are points to be made on both sides....
I have seen alot of Rec fishers do the wrong things....especially when it comes to taking or dis-membering under size crayfish...this is something that a Pro would not do as the fines are very sevear as compared to Rec Fines....But on the other hand....i have seen Trawlers catch 20 - 100 tonnes of snotty Trevalle only to cut the net and dump them back into the ocean DEAD because they have no quota for them....so i suppose Pro would have to be worse because of the numbers being dumped...it would take alot of rec fishers to catch 100 tonne of fish....
I have been on both sides of the fence,and for my part i voted pro's.
I have no problem with the commercial hook line fishermen (this does not include the longliners), where the real problem beigins is with netting. It takes all of the fish in the area, whereas a hook line fisherman will only catch the hungry (feeding) fish. The nets clean the whole lot up, not to mention the damage done to the seabed.
I wish the Fisheries ministers would get their ar$e$ out of the office and spend time on the water and at the ramps, not only in this state but all over australia, and see first hand what goes on.
Of course this will be one sided, but when will pollies realise the true value of the family fishing in the pine river (qld), Brisbane River, and alot of other areas around australia.
One pi$$ed off fisho being told i am to blame why there needs to be closures in moreton bay when a good day fishing results in a few snapper, or mackeral. 10Kg tops compared to the net fishos who talk in tonnes.
Thommo
I spent 6 months up in the Gulf in 74, sort of a working holiday and was absoultely amazed at the quantity of juvenile fish that was killed in each trawl, the weight of the prawns just pushes them through the meshes of the net, and i am talking tonnes of fish (over the trip) mostly salmon but there were plenty of other species as well. Fish, crabs, scallops, pearl shells (live) no pearls though, turtles, saw sharks, rays, sea snakes, coral, live shells of all descriptons.
I realize that today there are methods to exclude certain species, but how well do they work?
By the same token i have been part of the old method of fishing competitions, you know, a point a fish point a pound and therefore have seen many tonnes of fish killed in the name of competition. At times i think back and feel that i have done the wrong thing by taking part in these competitions, but then that was what every one was doing in those day. I guess that is one of the reasons that i now let 90% of my catch go.
Again in this area things have changed and competitions have changed, catch and release etc.
When it all boils down i think as a total group of fisherman (rec & pro) we are all changing the way we do things for the better. I sincerely hope that as a combined group we can make it work eventually for all our sakes.
One thing i do agree with is that i believe that the netting in the nursery should stop, that is the Pine and any other tributary of Moreton Bay and perhaps even Moreton Bay.
During the last 12 months my son and i have caught a lot of bream that have an indent in their backs, mostly between the head and the first ray of the dorsal. I believe that this is the result of being caught in a net!! wether its a cast net or a beam trawl net who knows, these fish have survived, how many did not??
I also believe that a greater attempt should be made to sucessfully build and run fish, crab farms, just like the prawn farms to eventually erase the need to commercially harvest wild stocks, increase/decrease size limits where necessary on Rec fishers and adjust the bag limits, after all how many fish do you really need? most fish are to good just to be caught only once.
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