Hey scalem Thanks for the tip, have been out in the old boat on average 3 times a month for the last year. hope this won't change. As for the Viccy Pt shallows I think I've found most of them by now. I will still be leaving from there as I swing past my parents place and keep them in fish when I can and better still use their tank water to wash the boat. Sure beats bucket washing it in brisbane.