Would it not be better to pick one species a year and have a total no take and rotate the species every year after to help regeneration of stocks that way ,it’s taken decades for everyone to work out what’s going on so one species a year would be a good start to help.
They seem to be doing well in Victoria too: https://www.vrfish.com.au/2022/07/26...r-recruitment/Originally Posted by chris69
As I live in qld I really don’t care about how things are going in Victoria , but there snapper fishery was bad compared to what it was I think they even banned scallop dredging too help fix if, but they don’t grow that fast so where have they been hiding.
So it’s not hyperbole to suggest under current management tools that regulations will be ever increasing.
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They stuffed up in WA though ...
https://thewest.com.au/news/geraldto...ng-b882080045z
Catch limits were halved in 2010 under a 20 year grand plan to replenish sustainable levels..hasnt worked and its looking likely that bag limits will be halved again..
Likely they just used arbitrary numbers pulled from their asses under the guise of "science" and working groups or did a phone survey and extropolated, right.....
That very statement is one of the issues that's plagued the rec sector forever and a day, "not my problem" it's everyone's problem, just because something doesn't directly affect you "right now" doesn't mean it's not a nation wide problem, or even a global problem.
Well. I explained how that is lacking in logical basis in the quote highlighted. Your response sounds like the 'slippery slope' fallacy.
At one point you call it hyperbole in the next you say ever increasing populations make ever increasing restriction inevitable. Which one is it?
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I didn't say anything about 'ever' increasing restrictions (or 'ever' increasing population for that matter), and I just finished pointing out that a least some fish stocks appear to be increasing under current fisheries management.
The original restrictions stopped the depletion, but the stocks haven't bounced back as expected. The catch is set to be halved - not bag limits. The rec fishing body in WA actually supports the halving of the catch.They stuffed up in WA though ...
https://thewest.com.au/news/geraldto...ng-b882080045z
Catch limits were halved in 2010 under a 20 year grand plan to replenish sustainable levels..hasnt worked and its looking likely that bag limits will be halved again..
Likely they just used arbitrary numbers pulled from their asses under the guise of "science" and working groups or did a phone survey and extropolated, right...
You word salad that is your second sentence makes little sense. The assessment would have been based on monitoring things like catch rates, size and age data.
ok you never actually said ‘ever’ increasing population. growing population, more participants. Same point you were making.
I actually agree. I think many species are on the rise. I think many species have had a turn around and due to slow growth rates in some, we are too early to understand how big an impact previous regulations have had. What we do know is that Fisheries QLD are openly telling us that the previous management regimes ,THEY IMPLIMENTED, have not only NOT halted the decline in some species, they’ve actually become so bad that they are in serious trouble. In some aspects (Spanish as an example and I’m sure it’s the same across the board) their previous estimates are GROSSLY INACCURATE. An abject failure on their behalf by any reasonable assessment.
if you and I are correct, then why do we only ever see more restrictions?
Hang on early stages? We’ve been seeing constant management changes (all negative to catches/TAC for more than 40 years. If the fishery was managed well, why is it being fished down so heavily? Ether they’ve been doing their jobs well in the past or they haven’t. Why should we be so confident in the next round. but at least it ps here for longevity your comment about more restrictions. You’re kind of defeating your own arguments in the same paragraph.
or just to throw this out there. What if they’d nailed it over the past 40 years? Really. Would their relevance be required right now? Or maybe, just maybe “new models” were needed (which completely contradict their old models) to show their astute stewardship was needed even more than ever to justify their jobs?
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The VIC fishery is a totally different fishery compared to QLD and this is what the chat is about the Qld fishery , there's no where in QLD were you can catch snapper in the shallows like VIC and yes its not my problem what happens in VIC i have no influence on what happens there and yes i don't care.
It's still relevant. And I mentioned coral trout on the GBR which has been ignored. The post I replied to said' he 'didn't know of any stock that needed ever increasing restrictions'. Obviously you don't need more restrictions if stocks are robust and increasing under current management.
I don't live in QLD, but, I care what goes on with wild fish stocks, it's everyone's "baby" and just to add, I have caught plenty of big Snapper in close to shore in shallow water off the Sunshine Coast, including one nice 10.5kg model, in about 5m of water. It's your prerogative to close your eyes to anywhere else, but, in the big picture, it's all linked together.
Thats right it’s my prerogative so respect that instead of being a pain.
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