Outboard Cowling refurbish - how hard is it ?

[smidsy]

Smidsy….don’t listen to gaz as he doesn’t have a clue about this......

Not sure why the attacks? But honestly, I dont expect to come here and get professional advice.

I expect that most of us are amateurs, like me, with varying degrees of experience. From naively clueless as I realised now that I was when I started this, to the amateurs who have had a few goes and learnt a little and happy to share that knowledge. To yourself, an experienced professional

I think its fair to say that the advice I have received has been people genuinely trying to help me based on their personal experience.

Its up to me how I choose to use that advice, keeping in mind, this is the internet !

I have gathered knowledge from several places....

-This forum to bounce ideas off of people, and see what kind of varied opinions I get.
- I have a good mate who's knowledge I trust, and who I have been messaging through this experience.
- I have been doing my own research, and experiments.

After gathering all of the above, I make my decision as to what to do next, if it goes wrong, its on me and no one else.

[smidsy]

You do want a cutting compound to bring a shine back in after sanding the peel back, polish is a final application to protect, nothing else. Yes, the polish will affect how well the decal sticks, you want to do all your sanding/cutting to get your final shine, clean with windex, add decals, do your final polish.

Thanks for the advice, I'm not sure I need to sand. Undecided at the moment. I bought some 3000 grit today, just in case.

After watching that you tube video I posted, I'm not sure how much clear coat I have on there.

I gave the whole lot 3 light/medium coats, im guessing thats not even a millimetre ?

Im concerned that sanding & cutting & polishing might eat away at what I got.

Im thinking about just doing polish and see what its like.

& thanks for the pro tip about wiping down with windex, an important step ! !

And to answer your questions re 2k in a can….you won’t get 2k in a can as 2k is a chemically hardening paint that you have to mix a part a and part b together and spray through a gun, there are brands that have tried a can with a pull tab that releases part b into part a but they never really worked successfully, hence why they’re not popular.

Interesting about that 2K in a can, maybe that explains why its so hard to find here !

Also, Its really expensive, glad I didnt go that way with the cans, would have added $100's to the project.

[Cobbo1]

Not sure why the attacks? But honestly, I dont expect to come here and get professional advice.

I expect that most of us are amateurs, like me, with varying degrees of experience. From naively clueless as I realised now that I was when I started this, to the amateurs who have had a few goes and learnt a little and happy to share that knowledge. To yourself, an experienced professional

I think its fair to say that the advice I have received has been people genuinely trying to help me based on their personal experience.

Its up to me how I choose to use that advice, keeping in mind, this is the internet !

I have gathered knowledge from several places....

-This forum to bounce ideas off of people, and see what kind of varied opinions I get.
- I have a good mate who's knowledge I trust, and who I have been messaging through this experience.
- I have been doing my own research, and experiments.

After gathering all of the above, I make my decision as to what to do next, if it goes wrong, its on me and no one else.

Not so much of an attack, just blatantly letting you know that the info you’re receiving is from a very uneducated source that has a habit of ignoring educated advice. Good luck with it, if you were in Brisbane I’d happily offer you bring the cowling over and I could assist with you getting that factory shine you’re after.

[Cobbo1]

Thanks for the advice, I'm not sure I need to sand. Undecided at the moment. I bought some 3000 grit today, just in case.

After watching that you tube video I posted, I'm not sure how much clear coat I have on there.

I gave the whole lot 3 light/medium coats, im guessing thats not even a millimetre ?

Im concerned that sanding & cutting & polishing might eat away at what I got.

Im thinking about just doing polish and see what its like.

& thanks for the pro tip about wiping down with windex, an important step ! !




Interesting about that 2K in a can, maybe that explains why its so hard to find here !

Also, Its really expensive, glad I didnt go that way with the cans, would have added $100's to the project.

If it’s not flat before you use the cutting compound, the cutting compound won’t flatten it, it will only bring back a shine from a dull finish, orange peel can only be sanded out, I’d suggest soapy water and 3000 grit paper, and work slowly, only focusing on flat areas and staying away from edges and corners. Clear coat from a can will never go on thick and sanding through it will happen easier than you think, slow and steady is the way.

[gazza2006au]

Cobbo a compound is to cut back old dull paint not a fresh paint job so i think you need to research before you shut someone down, i see everyone is supporting you're post when you are totally wrong got me stumped why..

Anyone can google the meaning of a "cutting compound" i have attached two pictures to proove your wrong

[smidsy]

If it’s not flat before you use the cutting compound,

See, that's the problem with the translation of language between a clueless naïve idiot like me, and a professional like you.

You assume a certain level of knowledge, because that's normal to you in your environment.

By that I mean, what is "flat" ? I have no concept of what that means in this context ?

[smidsy]

.........i see everyone is supporting you're post .................

Not everyone, for certain aspects!

Chill mate, just different opinions, due to different experiences, its all good in my opinion, and I appreciate your contributions.

[Cobbo1]

See, that's the problem with the translation of language between a clueless naïve idiot like me, and a professional like you.

You assume a certain level of knowledge, because that's normal to you in your environment.

By that I mean, what is "flat" ? I have no concept of what that means in this context ?

By flat I mean exactly that, not lumpy. Think of "orange peel" or "peely" paint as lumpy, you sand the high parts of this away, leaving a flat surface, then restore the shine to it with cutting compound.

[Cobbo1]

Cobbo a compound is to cut back old dull paint not a fresh paint job so i think you need to research before you shut someone down, i see everyone is supporting you're post when you are totally wrong got me stumped why..

Anyone can google the meaning of a "cutting compound" i have attached two pictures to proove your wrong

I've done over 10 years of research you fool, using cutting compound every god damn day. The fact that you think a simple google search gives you more knowledge than me on the subject "prooves" you are just that, a fool. Oh and by the way, a cutting compound is used to restore a shine....including on a new paint job that has been flat sanded with 3000 OR on old, dull paint.

[Cobbo1]

Oh and just so there's no ambiguity as to my experience.....try this on for shine gaz

[TheRealPoMo]

Looks a bit shitty to me Cobbo[emoji28]

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[Dignity]

Here you go smidsy, don't be too hard on Cobbo as you really need to know some history of Gazza (has he been banned twice ir three times).

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/sho...i-Boat-Rebuild

Gazza has a good heart but Professor Google reigns supreme and all good advice he's been given in the past he has usually ignored to his detriment.

[shortthenlong]

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So shiny

[smidsy]

By flat I mean exactly that, not lumpy. Think of "orange peel" or "peely" paint as lumpy, you sand the high parts of this away, leaving a flat surface, then restore the shine to it with cutting compound.

Cool, righto, thanks for explaining !

Problem is, you can do that with 100% confidence it will look better after your done.

I give myself a 50/50 chance of making it better or worse. Given my lack of skills, how easy would it be for me to sand through the clear coat, or worse still the base coat?

I think I'll be off to the mental hospital if that happens !

When sanding out the peel between base coats I often would sand slightly too hard and the primer would show up. Hence I used 5 cans of base paint rather than 2 or 3 as is enough if done right.

The extra paint was also in addition to my sensational fruit replication abilities, I should enter competitions ! FYI, did you know, you shouldn't use a hair dryer to remove trapped water on a fresh paint job(ie. around the oil cap), as the whole top of the cowling will peel right up.? Or that if you have it too close to a heater, that section closest to the heater will peel up, even if it looked perfect before. Try leaving it in a tiny shed, with an oil heater, and the sun comes out, and over heats the shed, meaning the whole lot peels up. That was an extra 3 coats, learning those lessons.

I'm so close to getting this back on the boat that I would be devastated if I fu3ked it up now.

[TheGurn]

I feel ya pain smidsy.
I once bought a car from a relation who owned a panel shop. Needed a respray after a few years. 'How hard can it be?" thought I. Never spray painted anything in my life.

So I bought a little beaver home spray kit and got stuck in.

Bloody thing threw gobs of paint every third pass.
After many months of sanding and respraying about a million times, and countless cans of paint and primer, and reams of sandpaper, showed it to the original owner.
He was mightily impressed and offered me a job in his shop.

Not so politely told him where to put his job. Lol

Never again!!!!!

Ps. It wasn't 2pack and no clearcoat but I did use cutting compound at the end successfully.

Cheers
Gurn