Yep, true, but how about (say) a pro boat that might idle or fast idle for hours pulling pots, the entire day might only be 50K distance, but the motor may have been running for 8-10 hours, the method of measuring fuel use is entirely personal.
I think the point he was making is that, if you are looking at travelling, litres/K or litres/nm is the most relevant measure. You can be burning 100l/hr, but, if you go 100 km in that hour, it is very good economy. 100l/hr @ 20knts/40km/hr, is, on the other hand , appalling.Litres per hour is also a useful quantity, you may prefer litres per K, and thats fine, but it is not the only measure of fuel use.
Yep, true, but how about (say) a pro boat that might idle or fast idle for hours pulling pots, the entire day might only be 50K distance, but the motor may have been running for 8-10 hours, the method of measuring fuel use is entirely personal.
At the risk of stating the obvious, good point about economy at higher revs Noel, given distance covered. Get from A to B fairly snappy at 50Kn but I couldn't do that to any engine. I know a few clowns that do and they change outboards fairly frequently. I'd rather keep the pistons inside the block, but that's just me. As for low revs, the HPDI uses bugger all trolling livies at idle all day but I'm sure it would be a different story trolling higher speed lures at 7 or 8Kn labouring just below planing revs.
I don't like litres per hour because it doesn't actually show the fuel efficiency or the work at those fuel usage rates. Two boats can average the same litres per hour but one could travel a lot further on the same usage. I like litres per km when it comes to discussions like this as it is pretty standard and gives everyone an idea. Using lph @ x kph and trying to compare it to the l/km hurts my tiny brain.
horses for courses other wise, what ever floats your boat.
Democracy: Simply a system that allows the 51% to steal from the other 49%.
I don't want to highjack the thread but who the hell navigates in kilometres and if you do, why? Don't see a lot of hydrographic charts in klm.
Plenty of people out there who wouldn't know what a Nautical Mile ( or fathom) is . They can set their plotter units to K's, so they do. Only using electronics, not an issue, and they do doubt never look at a paper chart.The Yamaha Command link gauges can display in L/M,so I do. My plotter units are NM and fathoms.
I use km, and I use it because it is both familiar and simple. In this day and age with plotters/navionics/software where you can choose whatever units of measurement you like, why not choose something that is easily recognisable and familiar? Especially when you look at how long you spend on land vs in a boat.
How relevant is it to actually be talking in units related to degrees of latitude, when you are using an electronic device for your location? When was the last time you had a paper chart out with a ruler/compass/divider to navigate to your favourite fishing spot anyway?
Not saying it is necessarily correct, but it certainly isn't wrong either. It is the same reason that some people still use feet / inches / yards / pounds.
My 10 year old etec 90 on my galforce is still going strong. Been lucky no issues. Its going in for a service next week. Thinking of upgrading too. Been a long time member here. One of the reasons why i don't post as its gotten to political and becoming a flame fest. The old days everyone was mates. Anyway back to topic i am looking for a 90 that is lighter
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I spoke too soon see my other post I guess rubber just drys out over time
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The UB's go alright with that sort of horsepower.
Scottars right, UB's are very efficient. When the 19's were first released, standard fitment was 50HP, max was 70HP. Both 2 stroke of course. I had an early release UB19 with a Yamaha 70, went 30 kts with easy 20kt cruise. The early UB 21's were a 70 standard/90hp max transom, and they went well, too.
Etec 10 year warranty, they must be reasonably confident.
from THT
Originally Posted by Classic25
http://www.evinrude.com/content/dam/...Conditions.pdf
Am I reading that all routine maintenance has to be done at the dealer?
Or does that refer to recall's and service bulletins?
B.E.S.T. CONTRACT TERMS
PLEASE READ THIS B.E.S.T. CONTRACT CAREFULLY. IT CONTAINS THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE OWNER AND BRP AND PROVIDES THE COVERAGE FOR THE TERM THAT IS DESIGNATED IN THE DECLARATIONS. THIS B.E.S.T. CONTRACT SUPERSEDES ANY OTHER WRITTEN OR ORAL STATEMENTS MADE TO THE OWNER ABOUT THE COVERAGE UNDER THIS B.E.S.T. CONTRACT. THIS B.E.S.T. CONTRACT IS VALID ONLY IF APPROVED BY BRP, WHICH RESERVES ITS RIGHTS TO RATIFY OR NOT, AT ITS SOLE DISCRETION, ANY B.E.S.T. CONTRACTS.
DEFINITIONS
Here are the definitions of some of the key words used in this B.E.S.T. Contract (Key words appear in bold type in the body of this B.E.S.T. Contract).
Authorized Dealer:
means the BRP dealership authorized to sell this B.E.S.T. Contract and to repair the Covered Outboard under this B.E.S.T. Contract.
B.E.S.T. Contract:
means this BRP Extended Service Terms Contract.
BRP:
means BRP US Inc., unless defined otherwise.
BRP Limited Warranty:
means the manufacturer’s limited warranty which is issued with all new and unused Covered Outboards.
Covered Outboard:
®®
means the Evinrude E-TEC identified in the Declarations.
Declarations :
means that portion of this B.E.S.T. Contract containing information on the identity of the Owner, of the Covered Outboard, the description of the Covered Outboard, and the term and purchase price of the B.E.S.T. Contract.
Mechanical Breakdown:
means the breakage or failure of an original or genuine manufacturer part within a covered system as a result of a defect in material and/or workmanship.
Owner:
means the person named as Owner in the Declarations of this B.E.S.T. Contract.
Repair Costs:
means the applicable labor at the retail labor rate at date of repair, applicable replacement parts approved by BRP at the same established rate as for the regular warranty and applicable taxes incurred to repair a Mechanical Breakdown during the selected term of this B.E.S.T. Contract at an Authorized Dealer.
GENERAL PROVISIONS
This B.E.S.T. Contract between the Owner and BRP is applicable exclusively to the Covered Outboard which was purchased where the Owner resides and for use strictly in continental North America (including Hawaii, excluding Puerto Rico).
This seems to mean if you buy the engine in a state where you don't "reside" the warranty doesn't apply? That's curious language. I wonder why it's in there.
This B.E.S.T. Contract provides for reimbursement of any Authorized Dealer Repair Costs.
So you have to pay for your own repairs and then you get reimbursed?That's also curious language. Is that normal for BRP?
This B.E.S.T. Contract must be purchased in the country where the Owner resides and within the period of the BRP Limited Warranty.
So if you live in the Bahamas and buy your engine in the US, you have no warranty? That's also curious language. Is that normal for BRP?
BRP's responsibility is limited to making the required repairs or replacement of parts with new or BRP-certified re-manufactured parts. BRP reserves the right to exclude some models.
So BRP can retroactively exclude your engine if it becomes problematic nationwide? So this is a one-sided contract that they can get out of at any time. That would make me VERY nervous.
Product must be used for private or recreational use. Commercially used products are not eligible for coverage under this B.E.S.T. contract.
So the 1-year commercial warranty referenced above doesn't exist. If you use your engine in any way that generates income, you have NO warranty? That would make me VERY nervous.
The Product is used commercially when it is used in connection with any work or employment that generates income, during any period of time.
I take clients out on my boat all the time. It's not commercial fishing, but it does generate me income. I wouldn't technically have a warranty under this contract.
The Product is also used commercially when, at any point during the warranty period, it is installed on a boat that has commercial tags or is licensed for commercial use.
This is more in line with what I think of when I think commercial use.
OWNER’S OBLIGATIONS
1 Pay the first $50.00 (fifty dollars) in Repair Costs due to a Mechanical Breakdown covered by this B.E.S.T. Contract.
2 Operate, maintain, service and store the Covered Outboard in accordance with the appropriate procedures as specified in the Covered
Outboard Operator’s Guide. (Proof of maintenance may be required).
How in the world would you ever prove you "operated" in accordance with the appropriate procedures?
3 Ensure at all times that all BRP campaigns are performed on the Covered Outboard by a BRP Authorized Dealer.
Work on your own boat? No warranty.
4 Keep receipts and other records showing that proper maintenance and service as described in the Covered Outboard Operator’s Guide has
been performed.
Lose a receipt? No warranty.
5 Keep a copy of this B.E.S.T. Contract as evidence of Owner’s purchase of this B.E.S.T. Contract. Owner must show a copy of this B.E.S.T. Contract to a BRP Authorized Dealer to qualify for reimbursement of Repair Costs.
Lose this contract? No warranty. This is aggregious in my opinion, unless these motors don't have serial numbers that allow the manufaacturer to keep up with the warranteis.
EXCLUSIONS
The following are not covered under any circumstances:
a) Replacement of parts due to normal wear and tear;
b) Routine maintenance parts and services including but not limited to: maintenance requirements, lower unit oil changes, lubrication and linkage adjustments and replacement of fuses, zinc anodes, thermostats, starter motor bushings, trim motor brushes, filters, propellers, propeller bushings and spark plugs;
c) Damage caused by improper or lack of installation, maintenance, winterization and/or storage, failure to follow the procedures and recommendations in the Operator's Guide;
This is clause incorporates all of the procedures and recommendations in the Operator's Guide as requistes for warranty coverage. Depending on what those are, this could be quite onerous.
d)Damage resulting from removal of parts, improper repairs, service, maintenance, or modification, or use of parts or accessories not manufactured or approved by BRP, which in its reasonable judgment are either incompatible with Covered Outboard or adversely affect its operation, performance, or durability, or resulting from repairs done by a person that is not an Authorized Dealer;
e)Damage caused by abuse, misuse, abnormal use, neglect, racing, improper operation or operation of the Covered Outboard in a manner inconsistent with the recommended operation described in the Operator’s Guide;
Yikes. How would you prove you were innocent?
f) Damage resulting from external damage, accident, submersion, water ingestion, fire, theft, vandalism or any act of God;
g) Operation without proper fuel, oil or lubrication, or with fuels, oils or lubricants which are not suitable for use with the Covered Outboard (see
the Operator’s Guide);
Fuel or ethanol issue? Ran fuel of a different octane than in the Operator's guide? No warranty.
h) Damage resulting from rust or corrosion;
Wow.
i) Damage caused from cooling system blockage by foreign material;
j) Damage resulting from sand or debris in the water pump;
k) Cosmetic or paint changes due to exposure to the elements;
l) Upper and lower covers;
m) Cosmetics;
n) Rubber components including hoses; and
o) Accessories included with the Covered Outboard.
This coverage will be voided in its entirety and rendered null and void where:
a) Covered outboard has been altered or modified in such a way so as to adversely affect its operation, performance or durability, or change its intended use, horsepower or emission levels; or
Is this is broad enough to include over-propping? Could be.
b) Covered Outboard is or has been used for racing at any point, even by a prior owner.
ITEMS NOT COVERED
ALL INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT OR OTHER DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARE EXCLUDED FROM COVERAGE UNDER THIS CONTRACT INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO: expense for gasoline, expense for transporting the Covered Outboard to and from Authorized Dealer, removal of Covered Outboard from a boat and reinstallation, mechanic’s travel time, in-and-out of water charges, slip or dock fees, trailering or towing, storage, telephone, cell phone, fax or telegram charges, rental of a like or replacement Covered Outboard or boat during repair services or down time, taxi, travel, lodging, loss of or damage to personal property, inconvenience, cost of insurance coverage, loan payments, loss of time, loss of income, revenue or profits, or loss of enjoyment or use of Covered Outboard.
TERM
Regular B.E.S.T. means the term of this B.E.S.T. Contract for the Covered Outboard is selected and designated in the Declarations. The term of this B.E.S.T. Contract commences at the expiration of the BRP Limited Warranty and ends at the expiry of the coverage after 24 months or 1,000 hours of operations in the lifetime of the Covered Outboard, whichever is the first reached.
LIMIT OF LIABILITY
1 BRP’s maximum liability under the B.E.S.T. Contract shall not in any case exceed the fair market value of the Covered Outboard at the time of the
repair of Mechanical Breakdown.
Wow. How much are these things worth 10 years from now? Not much I wouldn't suspect. Blow a powerhead in year 7-10? Sorry.
2 Neither the Authorized Dealer nor any other person has been authorized to make any agreement, affirmation or representation other than those
contained in the B.E.S.T. Contract and if made, such agreement, affirmation or representation shall not be enforceable against BRP or any other person.
PROCEDURE
The registered Owner must notify an Authorized Dealer within two (2) days of the appearance of a defect.
This is also egregious. Discover something on your boat on Saturday while fishing and don't notify your Authorized Dealer until Wednesday? So sorry. No coverage for you. You didn't jump through the flaming arbitrary hoops we set up for you.
Owner must bring Covered Outboard, including any defective part therein, to Dealer promptly after the appearance of the defect, and in any event, within the coverage period, and must provide Dealer with reasonable opportunity to repair the defect. The expenses of transporting the Covered Outboard to and from the Dealer for warranty service are to be borne by the Owner.
If the Covered Outboard has not previously been registered, the Owner may also be required to present proof of purchase to dealer for repairs.
Don't lose that receipt. Those other engine makers spoiled you keeping up with all these details for you.
Owner is required to sign the repair/work order prior to the start of the repair in order to validate the repair. All parts replaced under this coverage become the property of BRP.
The Owner must present proof of this B.E.S.T. Contract to the BRP Authorized Dealer prior to any repair and shall sign Authorized Dealer’s work order once repairs have been completed on the Covered Outboard. All parts replaced shall remain the property of BRP. In the event of a controversy or dispute arises in relation with the B.E.S.T. Contract, BRP suggests trying to resolve the issue with the Authorized Dealer. If further assistance is required, the Owner may write or contact the BRP Customer Assistance Center, Attn: BEST Contracts P.O. Box 597Sturtevant, WI 53177. Phone 1-847-689-7090.
CANCELLATION
BRP shall have the right to cancel B.E.S.T. Contract at any time in the event of fraud, misrepresentation or falsification of Declarations, if the Covered Outboard is repossessed or a total loss not resulting from a Mechanical Breakdown.
Yikes. Blown engine? Sorry, that wasn't from a mechanical breakdown. You have no coverage.
No other type of cancellation will be considered except where provided otherwise by law.
TRANSFER RIGHTS
To transfer this B.E.S.T. Contract, a transfer of ownership form (available on Dealer Port ) must be completed at a BRP Authorized Dealer. Upon completion of the form, the change of ownership will be automatically completed for the remaining term of the B.E.S.T. Contract.
STATE AMENDMENTS
This B.E.S.T. Contract is amended to comply with the following State requirements:
MASSACHUSSETS. The following wording is added: Notice to customer. The coverage you are buying is not required in order to register or finance a vehicle. The benefits provided may duplicate express manufacturer’s or seller’s warranties that come automatically with every sale. You can be required by the seller of this coverage to pursue those warranties which are available to you without this contract.
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE
Routine inspection and maintenance is necessary to prolong Outboard life. The following provides guidelines for inspection and maintenance to be performed by an Authorized Dealer. Please refer to your Operator’s guide for details.
Outboards used in heavy duty or high hour applications require more frequent inspections and maintenance. Adjust schedule for operating and environmental conditions.
TM
Description
Engine Care Product
Every 300 Hours or Three years (1)
Electrical and ignition wires, inspect for wear or chafing
X
Engine to transom mounting hardware, re-torque (40 ft. lbs.)
X
Fasteners, inspect any loosened components
X
Fuel and oil system components, inspect and repair leaks
X
Fuel filter, replace
X
Gearcase lubricant, replace
A
X
Grease fittings, lubricate
C
X
Muffler foam, inspect and replace if necessary
X
Power trim/tilt system and fluid level, inspect
B
Propeller shaft splines, inspect and lubricate (3)
C
X
Spark plugs, inspect and replace if necessary (2)
X
Starter pinion shaft, inspect and lubricate
D
Steering system, inspect and lubricate
C
X
Thermostats, inspect (2)
X
Throttle cable, inspect and re-tension
X
Water pump, inspect or replace if necessary
X
(1) Average recreational use. Heavy use, or use in salt or polluted water requires more frequent inspection and maintenance (annual checks are recommended)
(2) Emission-related component
(3) Annually in salt water applications
A. HPF XR Gearcase Lubricant HPF Pro Gearcase Lubricant in high performance or commercial applications
B. Evinrude/Johnson Biodegradeable TNT Fluid
C. Triple-Guard Grease
D. Starter Bendix Lube ONLY, P/N 337016
What could go wrong.......................
I think if you read the Merc warrantee or any car warrantee it would be much the same. You would be very surprised on what's not covered.
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