best of the best outboards

[Heisenberg]

Not having a go at your schooling, and I fully understand "modern" typing jargon, but it just makes things hard to make sense of when you have to jump over bits and stop to cypher out acronyms.

Noelm, I think he is trying to say Lots of Love - LOL

[mull dog]

I'm guessing that 'up the creek' is 'mitc69' reincarnated


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[Heisenberg]

I'm guessing that 'up the creek' is 'mitc69' reincarnated


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Hahahaha or LOL LOL mull dog, You just answered what's been bugging me for a while.
I couldn't remember and you have just put my mind at rest.
I can now sleep at night

[up the creek]

yeah i know noelm its like a lazy habbit i have to read my own stuff back sometime (was gonna put a lol in here but worried about noelm) so ill say ha ha instead..

[up the creek]

definately not some random dude reincarnated just boring little old me...

[DaveR]

Noelm,
The others abandoned two stoke because they couldn't make it work or economic decisions were made. It was at a time it was thought that 2s couldn't deliver on emissions.
You are presupposing that only 4 stroke engines can be made to work well. I happen to think that is not the case.
Having sunk so much money and effort, I don't think any one is going to abandon a 4s production line to design a two stroke.
But I am waiting for some innovation.
Evinrude never had that problem. They stayed 2s. All they have done is collect current engineering solutions and incorporated them into a 2s. Direct injection, CPU control and smart combustion chamber design.
Nothing different to what 4s designers do. And it works.
Now the possibility of a supercharged Etec gen 3 really opens the field.

Just look at the facts. Power, economy, emissions and innovation.

The 4 stroke vs 2 stroke arguments are generally a bit ridiculous. Most people know next to nothing about engines, so it's been fairly easy for 4 stroke manufacturers to market their outboards as "high tech" over the years, when in reality they tend to be quite unremarkable engines, not much different in principle from what you'd find in a 90s car. Spinning a prop in water requires torque- and that's where 4 strokes have historically fallen over. Some people are quick to make a comparison to car engines, saying things like "car engines are 4 stroke, so 4 stroke must be better", without considering that turning wheels over pavement versus spinning a prop through water are very different environments. Marine engines require a lot of torque. That's why 2 stroke engines have always made such good sense for marine applications. But, as you say, 4 strokes are easier to engineer for emissions compliance. In my opinion (I have to state it's an opinion, or some people get upset- outboard ownership is such a tribal affair) the concept behind Etec and Optimax is superior in a marine environment. 2 stroke, direct injection. More torque, more of the time. The newest 4 strokes have improved, but there's still daylight between them. The new Evinrude G2 150s have just been launched with the claim of a whopping 30% more torque than the nearest 4 stroke, while being quiet, more fuel efficient and cleaner. Impressive stuff.

And on that topic, the world needs companies like Evinrude. They're not following the leader, they're really innovating. Designing a 2 stroke marine engine specifically around direct injection with more grunt than a 4 stroke while using less fuel and being cleaner, with things like integrated power steering, interchangeable cowlings, automatic trim, wifi connection for engine data, 5 year service intervals etc. Nobody else is doing that.

[Noelm]

I guess most of what you say is near true, but the benefits you state are OK, some are in the "so what" basket, like interchangeable cowls! Not sure on the "automatic trim" business, whether it's good, bad or gimmick. WiFi connection, yep might be nice, better fuel economy and less emissions is a two way bet (in my opinion) they all must meet regulations, and all would pass, whether one passes better and by how much is anyone's guess, built in power steering goes back to early Mercruiser days.

[Noelm]

OH I forgot, 5 year service intervals, definitely a sales positive, right or wrong, or involving fine print??

[DaveR]

I guess most of what you say is near true, but the benefits you state are OK, some are in the "so what" basket, like interchangeable cowls! Not sure on the "automatic trim" business, whether it's good, bad or gimmick. WiFi connection, yep might be nice, better fuel economy and less emissions is a two way bet (in my opinion) they all must meet regulations, and all would pass, whether one passes better and by how much is anyone's guess, built in power steering goes back to early Mercruiser days.

From what I've seen the cowls have been very popular with folks matching the engine to their hull. Particularly on bass boats. It seems like an obvious feature to include, much like choosing the colour of your car, yet nobody was doing it. Suzuki do black and white versions of the same engine but that's where it stops. I can see others borrowing this idea down the track. Also the built in power steering/clean rigging on an outboard is a big step forward, you can even adjust the weight of the steering via the helm display. Again, we can start counting the days until others copy it. Mercury have also just recently copied the auto trim feature, launching 'their' version at the Miami show this year. You can also thank direct injection for the power/economy/emissions party trick. I think the next big improvement on the 4 strokes will be direct injection, my guess is Yamaha or maybe Honda will be the first ones there. Mercury seem to be going in the opposite direction, making them as simple as possible. They are winning the weight war as a result. Although it would be cool to see one of the new large displacement OHV Mercs with DI, it'd be a seemingly paradoxical techno mutant like GM's new DI OHV LT1 small blocks, you don't expect to see those technologies together, yet they work so well.

[aussiebasser]

Haven't the L6 Verados had built in power steering about 2008?

[aussiebasser]

Did somebody say Turbine?

[DaveR]

Haven't the L6 Verados had built in power steering about 2008?

They made a form of inbuilt system only for the larger V6 Verados, but not like how Evinrude have done it. Evinrude are equipping every new model with electronically adjustable steering, 150hp onwards so far, so they're making it a mainstream feature. It's been arguably the standout item of the G2 so far, not just how it operates but the clean rigging element. No doubt over the next 5-10 years the other makes will develop similar systems for the mainstream models like BRP have.

[up the creek]

best of the best ..ypu thats up there basser pretty kool .. if you survive it ..

[up the creek]

by the way andy bro i didnt get a chance to say, as we were so busy debating,, that your motor above you posted is awesome and definatelty is exciting new technology..

[aussiebasser]

They made a form of inbuilt system only for the larger V6 Verados, but not like how Evinrude have done it. Evinrude are equipping every new model with electronically adjustable steering, 150hp onwards so far, so they're making it a mainstream feature. It's been arguably the standout item of the G2 so far, not just how it operates but the clean rigging element. No doubt over the next 5-10 years the other makes will develop similar systems for the mainstream models like BRP have.

So, the rest of the makes will develop similar systems to BRP, just like BRP have developed a similar system to what Mercury had in 2008? Lucky the rest of the makes didn't follow the FICHT technology.