Tangalooma Saturday

[patrol50]

well i dont know i must have read a different thread for as i recall it no one suggested the guy go over on friday night and frankly anyone who was out there on friday night in those high wind speeds was a bit silly or maybe just too confident but then again all those rescues were when a boat had a problem with engine failures, yacht gear failure etc no reports of any rescues where the boat was ok and of adequate size for the conditions

many (including me yep) said if you have to go (but best not too ) suggested saturday morning could be ok if the winds were a bit lighter and they were - and as a reference "That said it is much more still this morning" were the words used in the press release on saturday morning

so in summary Friday night was a no dont go and as i recall no one said to go then - saturday morning probably ok if you must go which is the question he asked - but definitely still far more comfortable on the micat which is what he did quite sensibly and i would have done the same

[Moonlighter]

Saturday morning the wind on the Bay was just as bad!

The wind had blown a gale all night, giving the seas time to build up even more than they would have been on Friday night. This was as per the wind predictions for the Bay in advance, and was actually what happened.

These are factors that experienced boaters understand, take into account, and make their judgements accordingly.

Probably the main reasons for the rescues on Friday night were people who went out when conditions were ok and got caught out, again showing a lack of judgement and preparation and situational awareness. The lack of reported rescues on Saturday were likely due to any responsibe person not putting to sea in open waters that day, as was also recommended by the Water Police.

[patrol50]

Saturday morning the wind on the Bay was just as bad!

The wind had blown a gale all night, giving the seas time to build up even more than they would have been on Friday night. This was as per the wind predictions for the Bay in advance, and was actually what happened.

These are factors that experienced boaters understand, take into account, and make their judgements accordingly.

Probably the main reasons for the rescues on Friday night were people who went out when conditions were ok and got caught out, again showing a lack of judgement and preparation and situational awareness. The lack of reported rescues on Saturday were likely due to any responsibe person not putting to sea in open waters that day, as was also recommended by the Water Police.

no it wasnt actually it had dropped back to around 20 / 25 knots from 30 / 35 up - i checked sea breeze - yep still rough still unpleasant and still not what i would set out in in these days ( bit of a whimp nowdays as dont like being pounded ) but not that dangerous imho in a decent set up boat of that size with reliable outboard on a run out tide - but still a very bumpy and very slow trip and definitely no fun at all hence my option would have been to sit on micat and have a can or two ( of coke of course) and thats what he did

[Moonlighter]

So, a small lull wind drops to 25 knots for an hour on Saturday morning, mostly in the norhern Bay, but you take no account of the fact it has blown 30-35 knots all night? Seriously?

You can keep trying to cherry pick one factor for criticism and try to justify your position, go for your life.

I am not going to debate you any more.

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[patrol50]

So, a small lull wind drops to 25 knots for an hour on Saturday morning, mostly in the norhern Bay, but you take no account of the fact it has blown 30-35 knots all night? Seriously?

You can keep trying to cherry pick one factor for criticism and try to justify your position, go for your life.

I am not going to debate you any more.

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well happy to call it a draw as you have your view i have mine - a few years back i would have done that run over to moreton on the saturday morning in those condition if i had had to - but nowdays i wouldnt bother - not because it was dangerous imho but simply because it would have been bloody uncomfotable very wet and very tiring and taken forever to get there

[Almako]

It is clearly not a draw. The fact is that we are talking about the same predicted weather pattern; a strong southerly change for this weekends boating. Our comments to not go were backed up by the fact that 4 rescues were undertaken on Friday night. This in it's self is evidence that a journey to Moreton Island in a small craft wether it be Friday night or Saturday morning would be an irresponsible act.

It is one thing to get caught out there in an unpredicted strong wind and make a run home, than it is to ignore the forecast and head straight out into it.

In addition the location of these rescues. Mud island and the mud bank out from Lota is far more protected than the western side of Moreton which is completely exposed to a southerly (and a westerly).

Now for those of you who are new to boating here is an excellent ready-reconner, the Beaufort scale.

Beauford scale.jpg

[patrol50]

actually i just cant be bothered
cheers

[TheRealAndy]

Not sure why everyone is getting worked up. The conditions were shit, no boat owner in their right mind would choose to be out there.

I just thought it was a bit rich saying it was outright dangerous given the OP's boat. The truth is it was just outright a shit place to be in general.

Regarding the other incidents, well its all speculation. but given the lack of information I personally think anyone who would set out in kayak, FFS, what do you expect. And the yacht, well I have been towed in in lesser conditions in my yacht with engine failure (yachts and engines do not co-operate due to lack of regular use). The others, what where they in, what condition was the boat? I have been out there rescuing people in worse conditions in boats that should not in the water period. Dragged skiboats in who leave in flat waters at 7am and wonder why they are sinking at 3pm in the typical 1.5m moreton bay chop. Towed in boats that have engines that should be anchors... The list goes on.

610 made the right decision not to go, and I will never criticise anyone for making the decision no to head out in conditions they are not comfortable with. I dont think anyone here is suggesting that 610 made the wrong call not to go, in fact he made the correct call not to go. I have said here before, if you have to ask the question about conditions then you already have your answer, and answer is to no go.

[Almako]

Latecomer, refer to posts on page 1&2. Not so late after all.....

Your argument is hypocritical (basically your saying; you go mate but I wouldnt). It provides no evidence to back your opinion and therefore lacks substance.

I am glad you took the time to view my status and yes Cruise craft make an exceptional boat.

By the way I've spent the last two days windsurfing in the bay and it's been absolutely nuts, especially Saturday..

Perhaps '610' would like to comment as to wether he felt leaving the boat at home was a good idea or not? After all that's the question in hand.

[TheRealAndy]

Latecomer, refer to posts on page 1&2. Not so late after all.....

Your argument is hypocritical (basically your saying; you go mate but I wouldnt). It provides no evidence to back your opinion and therefore lacks substance.

I am glad you took the time to view my status and yes Cruise craft make an exceptional boat.

By the way I've spent the last two days windsurfing in the bay and it's been absolutely nuts, especially Saturday..

Perhaps '610' would like to comment as to wether he felt leaving the boat at home was a good idea or not? After all that's the question in hand.

Not sure if you are having a go at me, but I think you will find that in both my posts in page 1 and 2 that I said I would not go. And thats after I have dragged sorry arses out of the water in lesser conditions.

[Almako]

No mate not at you, it was directed at patrol50 but he has removed his post.

[610]

The conditions on Saturday were pretty crap to say the least. One boat did follow the barge over and did it seemingly quite easy tucked in behind the barge. If I had of gone without the barge I think I would have made it safely (battered and bruised) provided I had no mechanical problems , but if the motor broke down in those conditions I would have been in some serious trouble I believe. I am more than happy with my decision to catch the barge and given the opportunity again I would make the same decision.

[ShaneC]

I took the kids out in it on the ski biscuit. Was piss funny....