Building Stacer Plate boats

[DaveR]

With the amount of complaints I've heard about Telwater over the years I'd say the opposite.

Consider for a moment the sheer volume of boats Telwater moves. I wonder how many more stories we would hear about Bar Crushers cracking if they were moving anywhere near the volume that Quintrex or Stacer do. Or how many more Haines Hunter 680 Patriot nightmare facebook pages there would be if HH moved anywhere near the number of boats that Telwater do. Or how many more threads there'd be about TABS floors failing within 24 months of purchase if they sold even half of what Telwater's brands sell. Size distorts things.

[Noelm]

That's a very valid point, most issues seem to relate to paint quality (or lack of)

[patrol50]

Consider for a moment the sheer volume of boats Telwater moves. I wonder how many more stories we would hear about Bar Crushers cracking if they were moving anywhere near the volume that Quintrex or Stacer do. Or how many more Haines Hunter 680 Patriot nightmare facebook pages there would be if HH moved anywhere near the number of boats that Telwater do. Or how many more threads there'd be about TABS floors failing within 24 months of purchase if they sold even half of what Telwater's brands sell. Size distorts things.

hmm well if yu have or had owned a couple of quins like i have then you would probably agree that they are certainly allegedly built to a minimum price with a allegedly minimum attention to detail (i have spent a lot of time and effort on both of mine to fix this or change that or improve this over the years) - but is that a bad thing probably not as it lets a lot of people have a boat (including me) but is it a good thing well i reckon the jury is maybe out on that one particularly if the boat gets a lot of use off shore or in similar hardish use conditions - but i would suggest reasonably ok for bay use or lightish type recreational use etc

me well i do like the sea jays over the quins or stacers and that will be my next boat i reckon but then i also like hondas and Yamahas better than the mercs 4s i have owned to now but at the end of the day it still usually comes down to the final dollars available on the day you buy

cheers

[creat]

Only 60k drive away brand new with a alloy trailer and 150hp etec. Seems like a Bargain to me.

http://www.boatsales.com.au/boats-fo...o=15&pss=Price

[Andy56]

To me, anything under $20g is a bargain, $60g a bargain? You have more money than me, how about throwing some over, lol. Yes I am cheeky !
Seriously, is longitudinal ribbing better than latitudinal ribbing , as some one stated? When its all welded up, all that bracing would make it increadibly strong in any case. I dont see the "obvious" better quality. Do you have any engineering inside info I dont? Please share your knowledge with us.

Sometimes I think if some one says its black, another person will pop up and say its white. Not asking for a heated arguement, but some facts or experience to back up the claim would clear the air somewhat.

As far as problems with new boats goes, bad news travels , good news sinks. Funny how some people think its an attack on their egos when something goes wrong. Happens in all walks of life. Try getting a spec house built without any problem at all, wish you luck on that one too. Where humans are involved, mistakes will happen.

[PB]

So, are you saying they do not build "true" plate boats?

There is a huge differance, There entire build method is compleatly different. See bellow

[juggernaut]

Doesn't look like SeaJay uses full width bulkheads - perhaps only full height - checkout images 4 & 5 in this model. So is it a "true" plate boat - you decide.

http://www.seajayboats.com.au/new-8-...-gs-is-coming/

In my mind, the Stacer and Sea Jay are both plate boats. Its just the degree of quality that changes which is relevant to the target consumer and expected use. I'm sure most of them could take more punishment than the owners would be willing to tolerate.

[VictorOscar]

Doesn't look like SeaJay uses full width bulkheads - perhaps only full height - checkout images 4 & 5 in this model. So is it a "true" plate boat - you decide.

Well the fuel tank has to go somewhere doesn't it?

[Chris Tucker]

Dan (PB), do you have any build photos of the 490 Interceptor? Probably a better comparison for the stacer?

[juggernaut]

Well the fuel tank has to go somewhere doesn't it?

Think you missed my point - look at the ends of the bulkheads and where they end. Then compare to the images posted by PB.

[VictorOscar]

Think you missed my point - look at the ends of the bulkheads and where they end. Then compare to the images posted by PB.

Perhaps I have, though I am not following you sorry.

The Sea Jay has full width bulk heads except for the part where the fuel tank has to go?

[Lovey80]

Consider for a moment the sheer volume of boats Telwater moves. I wonder how many more stories we would hear about Bar Crushers cracking if they were moving anywhere near the volume that Quintrex or Stacer do. Or how many more Haines Hunter 680 Patriot nightmare facebook pages there would be if HH moved anywhere near the number of boats that Telwater do. Or how many more threads there'd be about TABS floors failing within 24 months of purchase if they sold even half of what Telwater's brands sell. Size distorts things.

What size doesn't distort is how this volume adjusted complaints base is treated by telwater after the customer raises an issue. Just this site alone has a bible with chapters of complaints.

[Lovey80]

PB, what Cat is those photos from?

[reelally]

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One area of concern from my experience as a shipwright is evident in the pic, the stringers towards the bow don't line up at each frame station. This is not normal practice and it is a weak spot and allows movement. Also the frames have no rider bars or stiffeners across the top which also can flex and crack over time. These boats will probably last awhile for the average boatie but when used offshore it mightn't hold up as well as the full plate girder construction like Seajay, Surtees, Amm ect. This is just my opinion based on my experience in the industry. I completely understand that not everyone can afford a $100k platey and the Stacer price bracket is within reach for a lot more however standards still need to be followed as we can't just walk home when something goes wrong.

[DaveR]

What size doesn't distort is how this volume adjusted complaints base is treated by telwater after the customer raises an issue. Just this site alone has a bible with chapters of complaints.

Well scale would still distort that. I mean, take Bar Crusher allegedly not wanting anything to do with cracking boats and blaming it on owner abuse. Or the Haines Hunter Patriot nightmare which speaks for itself, they needed to go as far as taking legal action. Or TABS claiming it's totally normal for a floor to fail in a year or two. Or the countless other complaints about various brands. If they were moving the kind of volume that Telwater does, how many more stories would we have heard? And the reason I say "allegedly" is because there are of course always two sides to the story. It's easy to jump on Ausfish (or the various other forums) and torpedo a manufacturer where they can't defend themselves.

And of course what people don't post online are good stories. I'll tell you one. Just last month I had a hydraulic steering problem. The cylinder needed to be rebuilt and it was close to Christmas so I was basically looking at January until I could get something done. I contacted Telwater about it and they did not muck around. To ensure I had the boat on the water for Christmas/new years, they express posted a brand new system to my house and arranged for a dealer who doesn't even sell my brand of boat to install it prior to Christmas. Really quite impressive. People rarely go online to discuss good experiences with manufacturers, all we hear are the bad things and it really distorts our perceptions of these brands.