Should he pay for his rescue ?

[deckie]

so then, the age old question, how do you get experience without actually "doing it"

Thats not such a difficult question...we all went thru a process of handling our own craft, gaining confidence and knowing its limitations BEFORE we presume to venture into more dangerous/risky waters.
There is no set time line for this of course...no particular amount of hours logged at any point other than someone trying to get their license for the first time these days.
A large part of safety at sea is basic common sense...however knowing your own vessel is surely a prerequisite. Its as basic as knowing how much fuel you need, or carrying a spare main, knowing how to reef it solo etc etc...but it all becomes heightened when you put to sea on a mission to cross an ocean...SOLO.

I wont presume to think this particular bloke wasnt capable..might have been just a frustrated person that made a comment about his capabilites...BUT it simply begs the question what if he was asked a question about starting his engine and he didnt even know how he should sniff/blow the bilge, or how to check battery charge ? What if we found out his mainsail tore and he didnt know how to hoist a new one or use the foresail...you know what i'm saying yeah ?

We know 99 % of guys would know and learn their boats, check weather etc etc etc before attempting to fish a canyon at night that is say 25NM out to sea...but the guys that get rescued are often not just the unfortunate mech failures..shit happens to all of us.... but what about the 1% that ignore everything and just go ahead regardless. Brand new boat..."lets go".

Seems to me this is a very serious mission he was on...solo to NZ. Surely for THAT he should have an intimate knowledge of his vessel and emergency procedures. Question is ..what if he didnt ?...would you want him to not do it again until he knew what he was doing ? and maybe also send a message to others ?

[Dignity]

Fair call, only difference you are not being rescued from anything.

Rash

Other than saving your life or some one elses, I think that would be considered being rescued.

[Noelm]

OK, deckie, that being said, lets just hark back to Jessica Watson, all the back up and gear in the world, an extremely well prepared boat, planning on sailing solo around the world, plenty of experience... the first attempt, she barely made it out of port and needed help, so how did experience help in that case? Experience is NOT going to stop problems, they just happen. Now whether you call for help, activate your EPIRP (if it was appropriate) and lets not start that old topic again! or you get your self out of the poo, its all relevant to what you have at hand, some things you can fix with cable ties and rope, other things, a full on shore workshop will take time to rectify.

[Stuart]

Stinger missile would have solved all his worldly issues.

[deckie]

OK, deckie, that being said, lets just hark back to Jessica Watson, all the back up and gear in the world, an extremely well prepared boat, planning on sailing solo around the world, plenty of experience... the first attempt, she barely made it out of port and needed help, so how did experience help in that case? Experience is NOT going to stop problems, they just happen. Now whether you call for help, activate your EPIRP (if it was appropriate) and lets not start that old topic again! or you get your self out of the poo, its all relevant to what you have at hand, some things you can fix with cable ties and rope, other things, a full on shore workshop will take time to rectify.

Yesss...agreed. But hey noone i know says shit doesnt happen.
Noone has ever spoken about not rescuing anyone....but reading Jessica Watson's book doesnt mean you should now feel qualified to head solo for NZ either. But i'm sure some people might get that feeling. As i said its the 1% eklement. They are the types that frustrate rescue services, not the Jessica Watsons.
So i'm unsure what you're getting at.
Are u saying that you think even the inexperienced newbies should not be accountable for suddenly embarking on what most would see as an extremely challenging and risky voyage alone ?

[LittleSkipper]

And if someone is involved in a car accident should they be made to pay for their rescue? Go figure!


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[tjotter]

re how much for MH370 search.
$90mill
http://australianaviation.com.au/201...-mh370-search/
that is the budget until June 20105,
& that does not seem to include Malaysia, China, USA etc.

[tjotter]

re paying for rescues:
is there a difference between rescuing someone once & someone, eg Tony Bullimore, repeatedly asking for rescue.

[stevemid]

Similarities to Jess Watson abound, see below.


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[docaster]

We have to pay for fuel if rescued in mackay, double if your not a member.
It should be like having liability innsurance ie. proof of coverage when you renew your boat rego.
Jessica Watson had innsurance cover for rescue.

[docaster]

My club marine covers rescue. Thank goodness i have never had to be rescued yet except my very first trip about 40 years agoe when we run out of fuel and managed to hail down another boaty for some fuel. (found out 2 strokes dam thirsty buggers).

[stevemid]

Speaking of Jessica Watson's rescue....in terms of preparedness etc. Another S&S34 sailor, a mate of mine, had to be winched off his S&S in June 2112. Alan had completed 13 Sydney Hobarts and over 20, I believe, Gosford Lord Howe crossings. He left Lake Macquarie headed north for the winter. In rough southerly weather, off Cape Byron, engine wouldnt start, batteries flat, boat taking on water, 12M swells. Had to be winched off by helo. His experience level diametrically opposite Jessica Watson's; probably his support and boat prep too since I know he didn't' have nearly the financial assets backing Watson. Same boat, quite different situations.

I think we rescue people regardless of their situation because we can so easily put ourselves in their position: laying in the bottom of the boat, shit scared, helpless against the sea no matter how well prepared we might have been.

[fisho64]

We have to pay for fuel if rescued in mackay, double if your not a member.
It should be like having liability innsurance ie. proof of coverage when you renew your boat rego.
Jessica Watson had insurance cover for rescue.

No mate, you are confused with the concepts of rescue here.

If anyone asks you to pay fuel before they rescue you if your life is in danger, they are committing a criminal offence unless THEY themselves reasonably believe it to be a danger to do so.
Just like if someone is dying of thirst in the desert, you cannot say "heres a bottle of water mate, that'll be $5000".
Its called "failing to provide the necessities of life"

Your boat however does not need its life saved, and nobody is obliged to do that, just as Tony Bullimore, the French guy, Jessica Watson etc.

[LittleSkipper]

No mate, you are confused with the concepts of rescue here.

If anyone asks you to pay fuel before they rescue you if your life is in danger, they are committing a criminal offence unless THEY themselves reasonably believe it to be a danger to do so.
Just like if someone is dying of thirst in the desert, you cannot say "heres a bottle of water mate, that'll be $5000".
Its called "failing to provide the necessities of life"

Your boat however does not need its life saved, and nobody is obliged to do that, just as Tony Bullimore, the French guy, Jessica Watson etc.

I'd also like to add it can also be called 'A Duty of Care'


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[stevej]

beware of what your asking for

the government could easily increase our licence or registration fees to cover rescues
or bring in a greenslip style thing for registrations
in cars we all pay for others mistakes or issues via greenslips


storm in a teacup, the cost would be negligable.
the people are already working the ships helicopters boats are on maintenance schedules whether they are used or not
its just a bit of fuel and possible risk to the crew