the lucky country? .... "Just value what you have and don't give it away"

[Volvo]

How a post can change from the original posters concern to where it is , is a concern in itself lol... Gun laws were introduced for the mentaly unstable who may think the way to resolve their worry is by use of a "Gun & Bullet " and takes the abillity away or mostly the abillity away from them...
Crims who wish to use a firearm for whatever reason they wish can still purchase them so the Gun laws do zilch in that arena.
For those who wish to use forearms for sport or vermin control etc can still purchase them via the legal channels so nuno problemo there..
If one sees whats happening overseas via the useof GUNS!!!Firearms it does create concern hoping it never gets to that stage here , does it not??, so the answer may be yes we do need gun control and that is what our gun laws are for "Gun Control " and doesnt need explaining further..
And as for the original post maybe the debate can trend towards that direction..
I have a worry personally for those who cant or cannot get into the high paying jobs which provide high end Super Schemes and have to rely on a pension , and asthe concern is they may just have to wait to a good old age of seventy years of age (if that age is not raised between then and now) and if the pension or the purchase value of the pension is not reduced between then and now and cost of living raises..
These are the areas people should be getting concerned with and not distracted by gun laws or other issues not worthy of debate which may take ones mind away from real issues..
As jobs trend to go offshore and and one has to pass through so many hoops to get into employment , or one is made redundant at an ageof say 55-59 years of age and havent got a high degree or trade thats in demand , then who is going to employ them till they reach 70!!????....
Now i am thinking these areal concerns to be getting involved in personally and the Gov has made a website available for people to voice/ write their concerns ..Do So!!!...
One of several concerns ,

[Jabiru658]

You need to carry it ? .... Need !

buy a multi tool without the knife then ...... problem solved

besides if someone attacked you & you had a multitool you'd be in hospital before you could get the blade out - I cant imagine how you would feel safe with a multi tool ?
chris

I'm not carrying the multi-tool to 'feel safe', I carry it because I use the tools in it (including the blade) for work.

I use the blade to strip wires (wire strippers are too bulky to carry in my pockets). I use the screw drivers for screwing screws and I use the pliers for gripping stuff.

[Jabiru658]

I have a worry personally for those who cant or cannot get into the high paying jobs which provide high end Super Schemes and have to rely on a pension

I'm self employed and I'll be self supporting after I retire, why should I care about someone who didn't make adequate provision for their own retirement?

Include the family home in the asset test and you might have a case, as it is at the moment pension eligibility is nonsensical.

[Volvo]

I'm self employed and I'll be self supporting after I retire, why should I care about someone who didn't make adequate provision for their own retirement?

Include the family home in the asset test and you might have a case, as it is at the moment pension eligibility is nonsensical.

Thats like i'm okay Jack n let everyone else fend for themselves is it???, yes its good if you can be self employed and congat you on that but like i previousely mentioned ..Not everyyone can be in that same position and how does someone make adaquate provisions for retirement if they are on a low paying end job..Lets use retail for instance??...
Should we care for the lower end of the chain paywise and in retirement wise???...Answer for me is yes we should otherwise this might be the soft end of the stick that comes back to bight us in some way or other and like it or not it will!!..
Anyhow my thoughts only and up to each individual which way they think..

[FishermanEd]

Yep.


Good to see you here with us in Australia


oops


see next post

[FishermanEd]

Good to see you with us on Ausfish.

Always nice to have someone from another country on board.

If you bleed red and you fish your my brother.



Louis

Yep.

Good to see you here.

[NAGG]

I'm self employed and I'll be self supporting after I retire, why should I care about someone who didn't make adequate provision for their own retirement?

Include the family home in the asset test and you might have a case, as it is at the moment pension eligibility is nonsensical.

I've had a couple of speed bumps in life ...... (property settlements .... give the house to the ex) - I provided for my children but because I did - home ownership is not likely . I earn a decent wage & because I do .... I pay more in child support ( 27% in the dollar) Where do I fit in the equation ?

Chris

[TheRealAndy]

I'm self employed and I'll be self supporting after I retire, why should I care about someone who didn't make adequate provision for their own retirement?.

Just thing about those people on minimum wage doing the small things that you dont acknowledge, like operating supermarkets checkouts and doing labor work in factories. These people are still needed in a functioning society but simply dont earn enough to put money away for retirement etc. This is the great thing about a social democracy, sure those of us who earn ok money have to cough up a bit more tax, but I am happy to do so to maintain my lifestyle. I actually appreciate the work of those low income earners and am happy to help them along. Its just one more of those little things that makes this place such a great country.

[NAGG]

Just thing about those people on minimum wage doing the small things that you dont acknowledge, like operating supermarkets checkouts and doing labor work in factories. These people are still needed in a functioning society but simply dont earn enough to put money away for retirement etc. This is the great thing about a social democracy, sure those of us who earn ok money have to cough up a bit more tax, but I am happy to do so to maintain my lifestyle. I actually appreciate the work of those low income earners and am happy to help them along. Its just one more of those little things that makes this place such a great country.

Nice to hear someone who is not all about me & acknowledges that there are people out there doing a job that we all expect to be done ..... but will never earn the big dollars . I dont know about anyone else but I much prefer using the checkout chick than those self scanners at the super market or Table service at a restaurant ..... & thankfully there are people wiling to do that work for minimal wage ( not talking about school kids either).

some people will never have the capacity to earn a decent (honest) wage - having started my working life in heavy industry .... I got to see & employ the types of people who were willing to stand at a steam heated press producing boat rollers or pipe rings .... 40-45 deg in Summer - many struggled to fill out their job application forms. Without over time and penalty rates..... life would be a struggle. What sort of future could these types expect when their super contributions are 9% of SFA and home ownership is beyond them .

Chris

[FishermanEd]

but I much prefer using the checkout chick than those self scanners at the super market


Yep we should try and support our felow workers.

[NAGG]

but I much prefer using the checkout chick than those self scanners at the super market


Yep we should try and support our felow workers.

Those scanners suck - specially when you do fruit and veges .
we've actually got some pretty decent checkout girls at my local(s) .... keep stuff sorted , fast & pleasant ....... makes the crap task of shopping a bit bearable.

I did notice that once the self serve scanners were installed - there we less registers open & the lines were longer ......

yep keep those people in a job ....

Chris

[hainsofast]

I'm self employed and I'll be self supporting after I retire, why should I care about someone who didn't make adequate provision for their own retirement?

Include the family home in the asset test and you might have a case, as it is at the moment pension eligibility is nonsensical.

that is liberal supporters for you

[Louis]

Those scanners suck - specially when you do fruit and veges .
we've actually got some pretty decent checkout girls at my local(s) .... keep stuff sorted , fast & pleasant ....... makes the crap task of shopping a bit bearable.

I did notice that once the self serve scanners were installed - there we less registers open & the lines were longer ......

yep keep those people in a job ....

Chris

I really question if the whole 'computer age' has actually made things better over-all?

I'm sure it has in some ways but I'm sure it's made things worse in others.



Louis

[NAGG]

I really question if the whole 'computer age' has actually made things better over-all?

I'm sure it has in some ways but I'm sure it's made things worse in others.



Louis

I've had that conversation over a beer or 10 - I reckon we are ahead but not when you need personal service ( modern call centers ... in some other locale .... or automated systems absolutely suck). .... some have gone too far - I nearly always hang up when I hear that American Filipino accent ....arrrg or the good old press 1 now
Things like online banking , shopping or other financial transactions are a good thing. they just need to get the balance right ......

chris

[Jabiru658]

I've had a couple of speed bumps in life ...... (property settlements .... give the house to the ex) - I provided for my children but because I did - home ownership is not likely . I earn a decent wage & because I do .... I pay more in child support ( 27% in the dollar) Where do I fit in the equation ?

Chris

I'm divorced too, I lost over 75% of my assets at age 40, I started again and I'm now again at the point where I'll be able to retire self funded. A divorce (unless it happens less than about 10 years before retirement) isn't a get out of jail free card (and yes I've provided help to my kids too and support).

I'll say it again, the government needs to include the family home in pension asset tests for it to be fair and if that's the only asset then sell it up and move to a smaller place like my current wifes father did recently (he took responsibility for himself and didn't leech on society even though with the current rules he could have, that's why the man has my respect).

But if people genuinely have minimal assets and no genuine way to support themselves (really truly unable to work due to age or disability) then society owes them support but people who aren't in those groups (and lots of people currently getting benefits aren't) shouldn't get anything other than short term transitional help (say benefits for 12 months max between jobs).