the lucky country? .... "Just value what you have and don't give it away"

[Lovey80]

Lovey, they could have every town and city in Australia under their total control within 48hrs if they wanted to.

Thank God for the Americans protecting us. And when the USA collapses hopefully China will step up and protect us.


Louis

Louis someone has been telling you porkie pies. They couldn't have Darwin under control in 48 hours.

[NAGG]

We should also remember that we were not invaded by the Japanese during WW2 due to the fact that "Australians are well armed and well trained in the use of their arms and that it is predicted that any occuping troops would come under sustained and prolonged sniper attack".

This was obviously written in Japanese. But this is a rough translation of intellingence reports which were tendered to the Japanese Government by Japanese Inteligence Officials.

L

We never got invaded because their invasion force was turned back during the battle of the coral sea - Had the Americans not intercepted their messages the Japanese would have taken Pt Moresby & have their staging point for an invasion.
Taking nothing away from the efforts of the Australian malitia / PIB & later the Australian AIF in defending Pt Moresby during the Kokoda campaign - if it wasn't for the battle of the Coral sea & the long & difficult Japanese line of communication of the Kokoda Track ...... you can bet your balls that Darwin would have been invaded and probably taken. - It had effectively been nullified as a base & at the time most of our trained soldiers were either fighting in the middle east or taken prisoner at Singapore.
Australia was under prepared & ill equipped ..... The Japanese troops were extremely well trained as they were the cream of the crop (early in the Pacific campaign).

We had some damn good fortune & Japan had bitten off more they could chew by taking the whole of SE Asia & most of the Pacific Islands . But it was the battle of the Coral sea that saved our bacon.

Chris

[NAGG]

There is nothing wrong with our gun laws - plain and simple ...... we don't need military assault rifles in society or automatic shot guns . The laws created were to eliminate the the legal supply into this country.... & hence access.

We are never going to stop illegal fire arms or firearms getting into the hands of criminals ..... it was never about that. the less number of guns out there - the less likely that someone can just go to their closet a pull out a gun to shoot someone.

I'm not against guns ( I did own a couple). When I looked at getting a hand gun licence ( I thought it would be cool to do competitions) & went though what was involved ..... the accreditation , the process of moving from rim fire to center fire to holster etc - storage & transportation = Nah forget that ..... too difficult . But yet if I was keen enough I could have still eventually got an automatic handgun . So the pathway exists.

It is no coincidence that America has the gun problem that it has - due to their civil right to bare arms . Unfortunately this dates back to the 1700's under the guise of

• enabling the people to organize a militia system.
• participating in law enforcement
• deterring tyrannical government
• repelling invasion
• suppressing insurrection
• facilitating a natural right of self-defense.

There are still redneks out their that think that the US will be invaded and it will fall on the people to defend the country - these people train for it - stockpile weapons etc .

Chris

[Louis]

Chris, this reference regards miltary files found which were written by Inteligence Officers in the Japanese Army that were submitted to the Japanese Government.


(We should also remember that we were not invaded by the Japanese during WW2 due to the fact that "Australians are well armed and well trained in the use of their arms and that it is predicted that any occuping troops would come under sustained and prolonged sniper attack".

This was obviously written in Japanese. But this is a rough translation of intellingence reports which were tendered to the Japanese Government by Japanese Inteligence Officials.)



Louis

[Louis]

There is nothing wrong with our gun laws - plain and simple ...... we don't need military assault rifles in society or automatic shot guns . The laws created were to eliminate the the legal supply into this country.... & hence access.

We are never going to stop illegal fire arms or firearms getting into the hands of criminals ..... it was never about that. the less number of guns out there - the less likely that someone can just go to their closet a pull out a gun to shoot someone.

I'm not against guns ( I did own a couple). When I looked at getting a hand gun licence ( I thought it would be cool to do competitions) & went though what was involved ..... the accreditation , the process of moving from rim fire to center fire to holster etc - storage & transportation = Nah forget that ..... too difficult . But yet if I was keen enough I could have still eventually got an automatic handgun . So the pathway exists.

It is no coincidence that America has the gun problem that it has - due to their civil right to bare arms . Unfortunately this dates back to the 1700's under the guise of

• enabling the people to organize a militia system.
• participating in law enforcement
• deterring tyrannical government
• repelling invasion
• suppressing insurrection
• facilitating a natural right of self-defense.

There are still redneks out their that think that the US will be invaded and it will fall on the people to defend the country - these people train for it - stockpile weapons etc .

Chris

They main part of the second amendment to the Constitution was to stop a Tyranical Government suppressing the people.

The Founding Fathers were very concerned with this issue.

History has taught us that peoples' freedoms are often taken away by Tyranical Governments.

Remeber what Thomas Jefferson once said:

"When the Government fears the people, that is democracy. When the people fear the Government, that is Tyranny".

as well:

"He who governs least, governs best"

If only we had politicians like him around these days.



Louis

[Louis]

an interesting read for sure, from my perspective as a yank. i admire austrailians for all of the reasons put forth in this thread, and for the way you can carry on an intelligent discusion without allowing the tone to degenerate into mindless rants about one anothers character.

hope you don't mind if i post a link to this thread onto a fishing forum here at home, " lake ontario united". i want to share your perspective with some of my neighbors. we have a lot more in common than many might realize.

thank you.

http://www.lakeontariounited.com/fis...e-perspective/

Good to see you with us on Ausfish.

Always nice to have someone from another country on board.

If you bleed red and you fish your my brother.



Louis

[Jabiru658]

There is nothing wrong with our gun laws - plain and simple ...... we don't need military assault rifles in society or automatic shot guns

Nobody in this thread has suggested that we need military assault rifles (even the ones like me who have pointed out the flaws in Howards knee jerk gun regulations).

But pump action shot guns should either be allowed (my view) because other pump action guns are allowed or if one is anti-gun then they should be banned (allowing one and not the other is stupid), oh and I lost my Winchester 1200 pump shotgun due to the changes also.

And semi-automatic sporting rifles (not assault rifles) should be available to everyday recreational shooters, it's sufficient to restrict magazine size and it doesn't require a total ban (as per the Howard knee jerk laws).

[Louis]

Nagg, wouldn't you agree that the government would have saved many more lives if they had spent the money they used for the buy-back and the follow-up compliance issues on funding research into illness or on healthcare etc.?



Louis

[NAGG]

They main part of the second amendment to the Constitution was to stop a Tyranical Government suppressing the people.

The Founding Fathers were very concerned with this issue.

History has taught us that peoples' freedoms are often taken away by Tyranical Governments.

Remeber what Thomas Jefferson once said:

"When the Government fears the people, that is democracy. When the people fear the Government, that is Tyranny".

as well:

"He who governs least, governs best"

If only we had politicians like him around these days.



Louis

That was all fine and good ........ 250 years ago
I think times have changed & it is hardly likely a tyrant would ever take control of the US ...... & they certainly dont need the Minutemen anymore or be worried about the slaves

Hell I wouldn't even call tony abbott a tyrant ...... though he is trying .

chris

[NAGG]

Chris, this reference regards miltary files found which were written by Inteligence Officers in the Japanese Army that were submitted to the Japanese Government.


(We should also remember that we were not invaded by the Japanese during WW2 due to the fact that "Australians are well armed and well trained in the use of their arms and that it is predicted that any occuping troops would come under sustained and prolonged sniper attack".

This was obviously written in Japanese. But this is a rough translation of intellingence reports which were tendered to the Japanese Government by Japanese Inteligence Officials.)



Louis

That may have been the case - but have no doubts the japanese were going to invade ..... do you really think that a nation who made such an audacious attack against the US Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor would be worried about a few crack shot cockies armed with WW1 vintage lee enfield rifles ?
Hell they even printed a new currency for us

chris

[Jabiru658]

That may have been the case - but have no doubts the japanese were going to invade

And the Australian government of the day had plans for conceding the northern half of Australia and concentrating their land defense along a line somewhere north of Sydney.

[NAGG]

Nagg, wouldn't you agree that the government would have saved many more lives if they had spent the money they used for the buy-back and the follow-up compliance issues on funding research into illness or on healthcare etc.?



Louis

I wasn't for the gun buy back ...... & besides wasn't it done as a additional tax (levy)

Chris

[nathank]

Anyway, as per the thread starter... We live in a beautiful, beautiful place and all is not so bad in the land of Aus....

[Lovey80]

It is no coincidence that America has the gun problem that it has - due to their civil right to bare arms .

American violence problems have absolutely NOTHING to do with the amount of firearms that are in the country. There are many countries with high amounts of semi-automatic weapons that don't have the same problems as the USA. So yes it is a coincidence.

[NAGG]

American violence problems have absolutely NOTHING to do with the amount of firearms that are in the country. There are many countries with high amounts of semi-automatic weapons that don't have the same problems as the USA. So yes it is a coincidence.

Do you have examples ?

Then we can see how they compare on this .


http://visual.ly/gun-ownership-and-g...-map?view=true