Just feed the mother in law. Simple
Just feed the mother in law. Simple
Misses got up me this morning when she saw me
innocently feed some small scraps of the blue i was filleting to the dog........ before I had taste tested it ....LOL
Are those cig test kits available and affordable?
Do I remember correctly someone on here said the people of Fiji feed a sample of suspect fish to their ants and if the ants eat it its OK.
Chimo that was me mate. But it"s not ants, it"s Flies the cousies on these outer islands have been using this method for a very long time. Flies will not land on a poisonous fish. What they do, is just cut the Stomach content open. Whole fish is then placed on a board or table and just sit back and observe. Don't ask me why but as far as i know none of the Cousies have actually had Ciguatera. Some of you might think of it , as some sought of Witch Doctor Method but it does work. Personally i just cut a piece from the Backbone and feed it to the cat. See what happens. Speaking of Witch Doctor Medicine theirs a Plant, which is found quite commonly in QLD which will heal bad Leg Ulcers. Good Old Witch Doctor you can't beat it.
Straight from Wiki..
Scientific detection
Currently, multiple laboratory methods are available to detect ciguatoxins, including liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (LCMS), receptor binding assays, and neuroblastoma assays). Although testing is possible, in most cases, LCMS is insufficient to detect clinically relevant concentrations of ciguatoxin in crude extracts of fish.
Folk detection
In Northern Australia, where ciguatera is a common problem, two different folk science methods are widely believed to detect whether fish harbor significant ciguatoxin.
The first method is that flies will not land on contaminated fish.
The second is that cats display symptoms after eating contaminated fish.
A third, less common testing method involves putting a silver coin under the scales of the suspect fish. Only if the coin turns black, is it contaminated. It is not known whether any of these tests produce accurate results
On Grand Cayman island the locals will test barracuda by placing a piece of the fish on the ground and allowing ants to crawl on it. If the ants continue to move then the fish is safe to eat.
Kids who Hunt and Fish, Don't Deal and Steal.
There are 3 known strains of Ciga the US kit only covers 1... was about $30 to test 3 fishOriginally Posted by SandStorm
Garry
Retired Honda Master Tech
Fish were filleted and not steaked. I've got 2 lots of neighbours that have no energy and thier legs feel like they have been corked. The hands are very sensitive to cold temperature items and water (feels like freezer burn apparently) . It is a crazy thing, i'll give them a miss in the future (willo u can have mine lol) .
Not sure if i should notify fisheries or qld health to record it? With the large number of mackerel being caught atm i must have been unlucky to get the one with cig, makes u wonder if some smaller ones have it but its not concentrated enough to be noticed or identified?
I believe Cigutera poisoning is cumulative, so it stays in your system and builds up over time..
Meaning the fish might not have to have a high level to make certain individuals (big fish eaters) sick unfortunately..
The straw that broke the camel's back so to speak..
Or the fish may have a very high level and be enough to make you very sick from the first instance!
I don't think you recover from it either, so once you have it you need to be VERY careful about what fish you eat..
Repeat doses has the potential to cause death..
It's not a very nice illness to be inflicted by that's for sure..
My best mates parents were one of the first cases in QLD many many years ago from a coral trout they won in a seafood tray raffle whilst holidaying in Cairns and were basically test subjects for this posioning as it was basically unknown back then..
I have found out most of this through my mate, his parents learnt the hard way unfortunately..
My Dose was in 2006!!
I did my time as per the health dept, ie no cold water fishfor 3 months and no warm water fish for 6 months.
We eat so much fish I would put myself in the high riskcategory (like 2-3 times a week) we have not suffered a reoccurrence so I for onedo not think it’s accumulative and I do think your body does pass it…eventually
Garry
Retired Honda Master Tech
It appears you could be quite right Spaniard King..
Maybe it is cumulative in the fish not ourselves..
Although the below states that it can remain in blood and tissue and have flair ups due to basically "stress" on the body..
clinical symptoms
After consumption of ciguatoxin contaminated fish, the onset of the first symptoms can be as short as 30 minutes for severe intoxications, while in milder cases onset may be delayed for up to 24 hours to occasionally 48 hours. The first symptoms can be either gastrointestinal or neurological in nature (e.g. circumoral tingling). Gastrointestinal symptoms usually last only a few days, while some neurological symptoms can take several days to develop. Ciguatera symptoms typically last for several weeks to several months. In a small percentage of cases (less than 5 percent), certain symptoms may persist for a number of years.
A combination of a few to more than 30 gastrointestinal, neurological and/or generalized disturbances have been reported. Gastrointestinal symptoms involving vomiting, diarrhoea, nausea and abdominal pain (>~50% of cases) typically occur early in the course of the disease and often, but not always, accompany the neurological disturbances. Neurological disturbances invariably occur in ciguatera and include tingling of the lips, hands and feet, unusual temperature perception disturbances where cold objects give a dry-ice sensation, and a severe localized itch of the skin (>~70 percent of cases). These symptoms and a profound feeling of fatigue (90 percent of cases) can occur throughout the illness. Muscle (>80 percent), joint (>70 percent) and teeth aches (>30 percent) occur to varying extents, and mood disorders including depression and anxiety (50 percent) occur less frequently. Severe cases can involve hypotension with bradycardia, respiratory difficulties and paralysis but deaths are uncommon (less than 1 percent according to Lehane, 2000). The low fatality rate (2 percent) appears to arise because fish rarely accumulate sufficient levels of ciguatoxin to be lethal at a single meal, perhaps because fish succumb to the lethal effects of higher ciguatoxin levels (Lewis, 2001).
Lehane and Lewis (2000) noted that most cases of CFP in the Pacific involved the consumption of fish containing 0.1-5 nmol P-CTX-1/kg, which is equivalent to about 0.1-5 µg/kg of fish flesh.
persistence and recurrence of symptoms
Neurological disturbances usually resolve within weeks of onset, although some symptoms may persist for months or even years. Symptoms such as pruritus, arthralgia and fatigue can also persist for months or years. Analysis of ciguatoxins in blood samples suggests that the toxin can be stored in adipose tissue and that symptoms may recur during periods of stress, such as exercise, weight loss, or excessive alcohol consumption. Sensitivity to alcohol may also persist for years after the first attack (Lehane, 2000).
I have attached the link to where the above information came from, should tell you everything you could ever want to know about cigutera posioning..
http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5486e/y5486e0q.htm
Just skip through the "over the head" stuff there is also alot of usesful info contained within the pages!
Hope it helps someone..
Gazz..... think it was the Johnnie Walker Black that helped you rid your system of it ......L...LOL
Jb bugger to hear about that can understand slightly how you would feel. I've been giving plenty of mackerel away, think your doing a good gesture until you get unlucky with a fish with cig. Would be interesting to try some of the tests mentioned above ie ants and flies on the fish fillets you have left to see if they are true. If they do work it could potentially prevent someone reading from cig in the future, or if they don't people know to discredit from your experience having known cig fish. Might help you feel a bit better, turn something bad into a good thing.
Thanks all, i'll obviously be much more careful in the future and either not keep anything to big or just stick to the spotties in smaller sizes. I'm going to try the fly thing today.. let u know how it goes. Just hope the neighbours cat doesn't eat any while i'm doing the experiment lol.
Will be interesting to see the results. Maybe try the and thing as well.
You will only know if the fly test works, if you have a piece of fish know to be infected with cig and a clean piece as test samples.What if you have dumb flies ?
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