Yamaha fr 27 glass boats

[Chimo]

Check this out http://a-marina.com/boat/1780_en.html

[Shark Poker]

Specifications available indicate that many 27' are for some reason only 8 feet wide.

This would indicate that they would hopefully have some similar characteristics with that length to beam ratio.
Photos on the internet show a very moderate forefoot yet reasonable stem, indicating a very moderate deadrise.

Added with an inboard this should be an indicator of very, very good stability.
And hopefully not an inefficient deepV hull requirement to match.


So while the cabin structure reminds you of similar era USA boats, the hull design is still pretty domestic.

I have wandered around boat and ship yards many times in and outside Tokyo. For some reason they don't seem to care about some wide-eyed foreigner doing just that.
One of the things I have noticed is that you will get some fairly confined space cabins. Rather tight of space.
It is simply a fact that your normal Japanese bloke is smaller than your normal Aussie.

Similar aged Southwind and other Jap designs were using timber insertions into their construction. No reason to think it would be any different with a 27'.
So my suggestion would be to invest in a trip to check one or two out, personally.

I will ask another couple of guys about this as well.

Pauly

[myusernam]

^^^I am calling BS. there's nothing longboatish about it whatsoever. the japs do make large longboats. but that isn't one.

[bobbyb]

if they had problems you would have no trouble finding them on the INTERNET. no news is good news. (maybe).....

[MyWay]

from memory one Ausfish member had one and he also posted a video clip here ,coming back from Barwon Banks
I think he only say good things about it
later on it was on market due to be too big for his needs

[Crunchy]

Similar aged Southwind and other Jap designs were using timber insertions into their construction. No reason to think it would be any different with a 27'.
So my suggestion would be to invest in a trip to check one or two out, personally.

Pauly

I'm not sure Pauly, this from an article written by Gary Howard who helped Yamaha develop the UB520 built by Southwind in the late 90's

Essentially, the Southwind UB520 is an open 5.2m fibreglass boat of 100% timber-free construction that boasts a large centre console. With a beam of under 2.0m, it's relatively narrow, however, it's fair to say that almost every cm of the boat is fishable.

Cheers
C

[myusernam]

I'm not sure Pauly, this from an article written by Gary Howard who helped Yamaha develop the UB520 built by Southwind in the late 90's

Essentially, the Southwind UB520 is an open 5.2m fibreglass boat of 100% timber-free construction that boasts a large centre console. With a beam of under 2.0m, it's relatively narrow, however, it's fair to say that almost every cm of the boat is fishable.

Cheers
C

WTF has this got to do with anything?! one is a 5.2m an australian designed and built boat by a company called southwind. The other is a 7.2m much older boat built in japan.

Lots of BS in this thread!

[Crunchy]

Calm down, it has nothing to do with FR27's but I was correcting Pauly's comment about Southwind's, take the time to actually read the post instead of nutting off.

[ifishcq1]

WTF has this got to do with anything?! one is a 5.2m an australian designed and built boat by a company called southwind. The other is a 7.2m much older boat built in japan.

Lots of BS in this thread!

settle petal FatBouy is on the money sonny
you only think you know so don't go calling BS,, you just sound under educated
Southwind was Yamaha hense the name "Yamaha Southwind" ffs
there are a stack of sizes and base shapes, the 5.2 you mention is one small part of the family and was designed in Aus as part of the Southwind brand that was part of yamaha
southwind and yamahas were originally designed in japan in the same factory the designs were then sold world wide by yamaha
there are several builders of the same hulls around the world
Yamaha had the original idea to set up molds for economically built hulls in third world countries so they could have boats, add to local economy and start a market for their motors
this is where the first fibreglass longboats originated, did it ever make you wonder why the long boats built in New Guinea look like the ones from Panama look like the ones from the Phillipines look like the ones from Australia and everywhere else???
since then there have been many site specific mods and hybrids

Now back to the propper subject now school is over

Peter Webster did an article about the 7.6 m when an office near his at Runaway Bay a few years started importing them from China
they bought in the 25ft version and called them Wave breakers I think (I could find out) I have pictures and layup details somewhere
they are a frigging good hull in lots of conditions I know a guy who filled his hull with bladders and did a 1400km plus trip from Madang to a resort in the Solomons
Allmond is one manufacturer who sells them global

[myusernam]

southwind would have just paid for the license to use the ub19 and 22 moulds from yamaha. they had nothing to do with yamaha. they then just built the 5.2 to compliment their lineup. they used ply in their other longboats. Even if they were all under the one parent company, it;s a pretty long bow to draw to try and say that just becuse one hull made in one country didn't have timber. as for fatbouys post, it IS BS> Just because yamaha lend their name to a hull doesn't mean it's a longboat. They make heaps of hulls. Looks pretty similar to a theodore in lines to me. no one would ever accuse them of being a longboat. at 27 feet and 8 feet beam it's length to beam ratio is completely normal. and so it doesn't have 24 deg deadrise. so do plenty of other boats. 16/18 deg deadrise (which i would say it is) is pretty normal esp for a sterndrive only boat. Yes boats with lower deadrises dont rock so much.

[Shark Poker]

Thanks ifish,

It had never dawned upon me how the longboats paralleled Yamaha outboards distribution as "Transoms" Yep, you did not see many Southwinds running around with Mercs or Johnnos!

And Crunchy, I do not (fully) agree about them being timber free.
Maybe the UB520 and forward, but not at all sure about the earlier and higher selling UB19s and 22's or general southwind products. (And I did refer to boats from the early 90's)

Getting back to the subject of this thread, I looked at a few more fr 27's and they are not too hard to find for sale.

Re the timber, it is probably of little consideration either way. Sure you know every second old trailer boat has had the transom or floor replaced, but this seems to be far less common with boats kept in the salt water.
IMO, when was the last time you read a for sale ad for a Bertram 25 where it says the floor or was replaced?

It also would appear that the FR 27 would be a very easy boat to check out. With that length to beam ratio, step aboard and you are going to "know" within minutes.

A sea trial in some decent chop and observation of the rpm/speed ratios and you will be pretty sure.

Remember as an owner of a longboat, you may be hard to impress easily on performance but may easily be overtaken by creature comforts.

The rest will be like any other boat check. Thanks for inviting our opinions. Hope they help.

[odes20]

Gees Im amazed at the experience some of you blokes have and your knowledge.

Great info. I have seen these advertised over the years and wondered about them.

Great thread !