Reply With QuoteInteresting logic....Originally Posted by bondy99
Ummmmmmmmmm.........correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it you that originally drew upon your weird logic to equate fare evaders to a tailor and mullet thread?
Interesting logic....
Glad my entertainment stream hasn't dried up.
Thanks Mattooty for looking into the salmon scenario. It would appear that economic forces were a driving factor behind the ban, but gave the Minister at the time an opportunity to look good to the rec community without ruffling the feathers of commercials.
Difficult to assess reasons for the huge and unchecked increase in their population and range and especially without knowing to what level anchovy and sardine are netted in NSW and the actual biomass of these species in NSW waters. It could be said that salmon displaced species such as tailor and bonito via competition, but just as easily said that they filled the void vacated by a decrease in those species' populations with less predatory pressure on salmon larvae/fingerlings/juveniles, increased prey availability and less competition. This would certainly lead to increased predation by salmon on tailor larvae/fingerlings/juveniles and compromise the recovery of tailor numbers following their netting ban in NSW and while Qld kept netting spawning schools of tailor.
Something that has become very apparent here is that we are increasingly seeing massive shoals of anchovy and sardine all along the coastline, but without predators in attendance which is a new phenomenon of just the last 3 years or so. This may be a reason for an increase in the salmon's range extending further north. Why tailor haven't been able to benefit similarly is a bit of a mystery, but the recognised altered migration of tailor to further offshore could be a factor in their not benefitting as they might from increased prey pops inshore and exacerbated by unsuitable spawning location, netting of spawning schools and loss of fecundity through reduced average individual size. All complex stuff and even those at the coal face would be guessing as to all the factors at play and the role they perform.
Let's hope that by decreasing salmon pops, tailor pops are assisted to recover, but Qld needs to assist any potential recovery and there is no intention at this point to do so when FQ keep insisting there's nothing wrong.
Muddy toes
You are wrong If you did your homework and read all the responses instead of focusing on what I wrote and sliders comments you would see it was actually a comment made in relation to another person (in an earlier post) who had wrote about behaviour of netters .ie swearing, abusing etc.in this topic..yeah a comparison to fare evaders was my comment. End of story.
Shoosh........
Some one has removed that post.
If you go to launch your boat at the main ramp near the bar beach there is a pontoon to to left of the ramp.. about 30meters.. another 20 or so meters to the left again of the pontoon is a hole in the wall which feeds into a little lagoon... It is used by heaps of people to take their kids to for a paddle, it has a park and bbqs on the otherside also. Basically if you were to go to the bar beach (if you know Narooma you will know this beach.. its behind it. Most of the older locals will call it the salmon trap because thats what it used to be.
So you fleece information from those silly enough to share with you on here and then do not repay the favour by sharing your own successful tips/spots for the average punter to get a feed?
lbger, yep, I know the spot, how did they "herd" the Salmon in? I know an old guy there and he has no knowledge of any such goings on, but you never know!
Really fellas if you step back and look at the big picture as I have seen in over 50 years of rod fishing. This has been on beach, rock walls, estuary, off shore and dams. The fish are getting harder to find.
I talk to other fishermen all the time, as recent as last night and the reports are not good, anywhere.
Unless of course you go to the impoundments where the fish are stocked or you go to Fraser when the Tailor are like ants on a nest.
I was on the Barwon Banks a month ago, the best fish we saw was a Red Emperor 2cm undersized.
Yesterday I was discussing fishing with another fella and he had just been to the Banks and what do you know. He said " we kept pulling in all these Red Emperor, all just too small to keep.
When did you last hear that the fishing is really coming good in an area?
Gordon
Could it because (lets say) 60 years ago there was 10 fisherman that fished Barwon Banks, and now there is 1,000 (these numbers I pulled out of my bum, just as an example) so 60 years ago, these 10 guys caught 100 fish each, every time they went out, the new generation (now) go out, and they get 1 fish each and lament how good it was "in the old days" when in fact there is still 1,000 fish caught, but spread very thin! now don't get me wrong here, I am not pushing this as a scientific fact, but just as a pondering "maybe"
We need to remember how good the fishing is in remote areas where there is minimal pressure from recs (and maybe pros) places like a topic currently running here, the Swains, is it possible that in 60 years time, when there is trailer boats?? fishing it every day that the fisherman would be saying, "I remember my pop telling me of 90CM Emperor being caught here, but now all we get is undersized ones" get the idea?
I can promise you mate.. the old guy you know has no idea about it because he probably has had nothing to do with the fishing industry down there.. There would be things in the farming industry that happened years ago too that people wouldn't know about who lived there for ages etc..
Back in the 40’s, through to the 70’s
the fishing in Narooma was awesome,
there are accounts of salmon in the
inlet so thick you’d think the boat had
run aground. Unfortunately, once this
bounty became known, it quickly led
to an over-fishing frenzy. Nowadays
the action is still good, but the salmon
have wised up, and their numbers in
the inlet are not as abundant.
Today local businesses and council
work together to protect, preserve and
regenerate the waters around Narooma.
The Wagonga Inlet is closed to all
netting and trapping
mate 2 secs on the net.. here is an old article.. im sure there is more....
http://www.boatmags.com.au/pdf/previ...NTN56_prev.pdf
http://dadirridreaming.wordpress.com...inlet-history/
here is an even better article Noelm.. you dont know everything mate..
Good to hear some thoughtful comments there. I expected to get shot to pieces by others with their own agenda.
Will agree that those isolated spots can be great but the next few generations have to treat it all fishing areas with much respect.
On another site, a US site, some fishermen believe areas have been netted and fished to the stage where. I forget the wording but certain species are close to the stage where they may not survive as they have been reduced an unsustainable level.
We are not much younger than the US in respect of white settlement. Our tackle is always improving, boats getting better, sonar is unreal these days and population is always on the rise. Poor bloody fish. Sorry to waffle on.
Oh year I saw the netters waiting on Kings Beach several days back, couldn't make my self stop
Gordon
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