Reply With QuoteAussie correct me if I am wrong, the stern light fill the angle behind the Nav. lights???????????
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Large vessels show 2 allround white lights when they are greater than 50m in length.
The second one is "above and abaft" of the main nav light.
Aussie correct me if I am wrong, the stern light fill the angle behind the Nav. lights???????????
Have Fun Haji-Baba
If a vessel runs a masthead light they must use a stern light to complete the 360 degrees of arc.
A masthead light has an arc of 225 degrees therefore the stern light has an arc of 135 degrees to complete the full 360.
They cannot run both a masthead and 360 all round at the same time unless it is a vessel greater than 50m in length and the 360 light is above and abaft of the masthead light.
I definitely agree that there is an issue with people in general failing to display the correct lights on their boats at night......in fact it would be the exception that is fully compliant.
As for some of the points of argument.
The side lights
It is perfectly permissable to mount the side lights on the rear superstructure of a boat....it is pictured in an example on the colregs and other sources....there is no requiement for the beams to meet at the stem of the boat, it is almost unknown for the side lights to be viewed close in to the bow of any large boat....for that matter, unless a combined light is used, there is almost no case where the red and green lights can be viewed at the stem of the boat...........the concept is.......viewed at the horison
The side lights if as discussed are mounted high on the tower are 100% compliant.
The all round white light
It only has to be the prescribed distance above the side lights, IF it is used in leiu of bow and stern white lights while underway......other than that it can be at any height that shows 360deg white.........
As for being on centre...again...if it is used in leiu of a bow and stern light..it must be on centre...but only if a combined red and green is not used...........if not it is easy to make a case for it being off centre.....
we can not for sure say that it is above of below head height.
Besides...this standing up thing, is not covered by the coll regs or the state regs...this is a point that can be argued..........I would argue that......."our risk assement states, for a number of reasons, that we do not stand on this boat after dark".....
If we could see the whole boat and know that there where not other..perhaps demountable lights, that it is not compliant.
It is important that we read all of the text including the apendicies when considering lighting on vessles.
That said....there are plenty of people that have been booked for failing to show and all round white...(hundreds over a couple of days down the port of brisbane in one report)...but has anybody been booked for the light not being on the centreline.
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Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
Look what you've done Pinny - woken up Oldboot!
Do submarines have nav lights?
Jim
Well I see nothing much has changed arround here....people still cant get all their facts together.
Submarines certainly do have nav lights.....in fact if you read the regs, there is specific provision for them, but you will have to read & think a bit to see it.
cheers
Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
I really don't see anything wrong with that RIB???Unless your standing on the seat that allrounder is not in any way obscured,it is a straddle type seat ,you sit on it.And is intended only for 2.As for the rego numbers where else are you going to put them....And Cormorant sorry mate, no hookup. I am amazed like Pinhead,that boat could sit out in the bay and make a fortune in one night. I was pulled over coming home from Tangas when I first got my boat for a random check and my rego stickers were only 175mm.I had to get them changed over to the correct size and he made a note on the laptop so the next check would alert the officer to make sure I was a good boy. Jim
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Having a read through the Col Regs trying to see how they get away with it and i found this;
Annex I of the Col Regs
Section 2 (d) a power driven vessel less than 12m in length may carry the uppermost light at a height of less than 2.5m above the gunwale.
So if they have an all-round light(visible 360'), sidelights and no stern light: the all-round light doesn't have to be 1m or higher above the side lights.
If you have a masthead light (visible 225') and a stern light, the masthead light must be at least 1m above the sidelights.
Maybe that's how they get away with it?
Sorry mate but, as I said you have to read all of part C and note the various parts that relate as you go.
Rule 23 para c-i permits craft under 12 meters to exhibit an all round white in leiu of a mast head light and a stern light.
Rule 23 para c-iii specifies that the all round white must be on the centreline unless the red and green are combined in a single lantern carried on the centreline..OR..carried on the same line as the masthead light.
Apendix I para 2d, specifies that, on a boat under 12 meters, as well as allowing the whites to be acrried at less than 2.5 meters above the gunwals....the single all round white or the masthead light must be carried at least 1 meter above the side lights.
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Its the details, those little details, that make the difference.
Clear as mud hey.
The 23(d)(i) bit I started to loose track of it all and the brain was starting to blur.
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Originally Posted by bigjimg
Ahhh that's why they call it fishing not catching. Still have to throw the bait out. Must be a row boat I guess not a power vessel.
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