Out of date flares can explode, lol, how does a flare no its out of date and its time to explode. I guess all those unexploded ordinance left from world war two must have had a long expiry date.
Out of date flares can explode, lol, how does a flare no its out of date and its time to explode. I guess all those unexploded ordinance left from world war two must have had a long expiry date.
Last edited by mod2; 12-12-2012 at 05:43 AM.
Yep.... exactly!!!!
In NSW the flare problem is that they are only recognised as a " flare " when in date . When expired they are classed as a explosive. Unless you are lic to carry and store expolsives , have suitable container , security you are possibly in the crap with a jobsworth officer or if there is a incident caused by out of date flares your insurer may wipe you.
Do I carry my last out of dates - damm right I do - well maybe - who's asking. I check their external condition and keep them stored well. Do I show em - no way- stored seperately. What ones will I use first in a emergency - new ones then the old as a back up. Strange about flares as VMR for years has suggested you keep your old ones as backups.
From a insurance perspective a captian or boatowner who knows there is equipment on a boat that isn't up to standard may have a issue. Yep I selfservice my inflatables lifejackets , keep records but use bricks and foam zip PDF1 jackets on inspections and guests on bars wear foam zip up ones.
Is a marine epirb a marine epirb without a sticker on it? Is there some special charge based on intent ? Someone should clarify this one in writing. It smells
So again bushwalkers, 4wd etc don't have the same regulation as boaters when the rescue process is the same - how weird is that.
I was inspected out at Hutchies last week and they didn't even ask to see the Epirb.Wanted to see the jackets and the V sheet and the contents of the esky thats it.Very thorough, not.He wouldn't have been disappointed though all is in order.Jim
Haines Signature "FinaLeigh" 580F 135 Optimax
CH 81 & 72 VHF
If your silly enough to admit your intent to break the law you can hardly complain.
Remember, apart from your name and address you dont have to answer any questions asked, but to avoid the "hard look", best to just be vague when asked questions by coppers.
EG, just a " its a lovely day so we thought we would launch and have a look around" - no details of what your doing of where your going!
Bit like when your rat running in a "local traffic only" area and they ask you what you are doing. "Just dropped of the new apprentice Tim", no not sure of where he lives, just dropped him at the top of the street back there, geez, now you mention it I dont know his last name, only been there a couple of days.......
This biggest problem with flares is failures. The older they get, the less reliable they are. Next time your local VMR is doing a flare demo, head down. Count the number of failures. You are not supposed to burn old flares at demos' but I do. Try it and you will understand why you need to replace them every four years. Even seen in date flares fail.Originally Posted by wave dancer
I've seen one splutter and carry on when activated (& a couple not work at all)....... I've been told of a para flare blowing outwards.
it's why flares carry a very short use by date ...
All manufacturers stipulate that you do not use the flares beyond their use by date .
Chris
Give a man a fish & he will eat for a day !
Teach him how to fish
& he will sit in a boat - & drink beer all day!
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yep agree, I have seen a couple go mad when activated, the red night time flare I have seen break in half and the molten/burning end fell on the floor of the boat, so... make sure even when lighting, that you have it held over the side, not "in" the boat, also saw a demo paprachute commercial grade one, (that you stand upright on the deck and fire) fall over and shoot across the ground at a million miles an hour, before it exploded in a (luckily) empty carpark! Not too sure how dangerous they are if they are just left alone, even when years out of date.
Any way back to original issue, cant see how such a ticket for potentially committing an offence could ever stand up if tested in court. Its not even circumstantial evidence. I wouldnt even accept such a ticket handed to me. Where is one guilty of robbing a bank while driving there? Im in strife in the act of or after, not for saying i will. Total nonsense.
"let not he boast who puts his armor on, as he who takes it off"
"CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 114
Being armed with intent to commit indictable offence 114 Being armed with intent to commit indictable offence
(1) Any person who:(a) is armed with any weapon, or instrument, with intent to commit an indictable offence,(b) has in his or her possession, without lawful excuse, any implement of housebreaking or safebreaking, or any implement capable of being used to enter or drive or enter and drive a conveyance,(c) has his or her face blackened or otherwise disguised, or has in his or her possession the means of blacking or otherwise disguising his or her face, with intent to commit an indictable offence,shall be liable to imprisonment for seven years.(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) (b) "conveyance" means any cab, carriage, motor car, caravan, trailer, motor lorry, omnibus, motor or other bicycle, or any ship, or vessel, used in or intended for navigation, and "drive" shall be construed accordingly."
Whoa Pinhead, youre missing the point! A bloke at a boat ramp says he may travel our of smooth waters. Hes not there yet! cant be booked on words only! He has to go and do it, to actually commit the offence. My ananogy of some dude saying generically hes going to rob a bank may well be a poor one in your eyes, but try and get the simple point. Ya cant be booked in advance for an infringement not committed. If a moron already has his balaclavea on and a hangun, hes already breaking laws.
All your quoted crap is a distraction in this simple issue. A bloke getting his boat ready at the ramp with his kids without an epirb in smooth waters hasnt broken the regulation till he goes out. End of story.
"let not he boast who puts his armor on, as he who takes it off"
i would have thought that a hundred bucks in flares and a in date epirb would be the least of your outlays while your cruising around in your 20/30/40 thousand dollar combo with who ever on board.
bloody cheaper than the fuel you are gunna burn ,
when the shit hits the fan you might have some hope of getting out of it
you are the one stating about robbing banks and saying intent is not illegal...it very well can be.
from the original post: "infringement notices for no or incomplete info on epirbs in the harbour" you are correct..no infringement if no epirb in smooth waters. The way i read the AMSA stuff is that it is illegal to not have the epirb registered regardless of where you are. Perhaps you should have the initial post correctly.
It is compulsory that all marine epirbs are registered and stickered by law so at a guess I would say the cop was in his right to do what he did.
Sure you only need one outside 2nm in open waters but the fact remains by law they must be in current rego and labelled appropriately.
Also once in a boat no matter where you are they would still be deemed as safety gear and needing to comply with the law.
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