super trawler? educate me or tell me your opinion please

[PADDLES]

so close supervision of the horse may stop it going out the gate or at least let henry close the gate if the horse does try to do a runner. i guess henry not being able to keep up with the horse still sits in my mind as being quite risky ..................... maybe some hobbles would be a good solution in addition to constant surveillance of the gate ........................ the farm would be able to run a little less efficiently with a hobbled horse but at least it couldn't bolt without being seen or captured ............... heaps less running around for henry, and let's face it he will be wanting to avoid excercise if he's to get that 23mm of back fat

[cod_botherer]

Paddles, we are so glad you have got into the spirit! Henry says he is as happy as a pig in shit - but then he would, wouldn't he?

So we like your ideas so much we have come up with a plan. The first thing is hobbling: the bad news is, while we think it's a great idea, we are not experts in horse hobbling efficiency ratios or how to calculate them. The good news is that apparently some smarter people have spent their entire lives looking at the problem, some even have a PhD - who would have thought? So we'll get them to come up with the best advice. Of course it's our money, not theirs, so we'll make sure they come up with something conservative. Then we're gonna check up on their calcs periodically and adjust as necessary. Henry is excited. He even wants to have a permanent guard to check what's going on. Honestly I've never met a rasher piglet.

Secondly, we further discussed the lock on the gate. Henry thought it best that we check that's it's working every 3 years or so and if we don't like it we'll throw it out. Hope that doesn't get too complicated.

I should also say that Henry won't be exercising too much, he read my previous post and has gone quite off his food too.

[robo55]

c.b. call me what you like but crikey use ya brains think about taking the bait away nothing follows then what do we hear you cry? andy wow what to say the real andy are you really for real ,since when has the govt ever told truth and what science as i said why is itr half way round the world if the stocks where it has been is still ok ,i have friends in england and they can tell you what it's like , as you said you were once a fisherman so what now you dont care ,,well i'd have to say you a very sad sort of fisherman who can say you dont care whether it here or not we gain nothing from it cant you get that into your head ,we fought hard down here to get info from pollies if you could read what they wrote it bit like you they not real sure ,, maybe you and cb could go back join your circus

[cobiaman]

Can someone interpret in english please???

[SunnyCoastMark]

c.b. call me what you like but crikey use ya brains think about taking the bait away nothing follows then what do we hear you cry? andy wow what to say the real andy are you really for real ,since when has the govt ever told truth and what science as i said why is itr half way round the world if the stocks where it has been is still ok ,i have friends in england and they can tell you what it's like , as you said you were once a fisherman so what now you dont care ,,well i'd have to say you a very sad sort of fisherman who can say you dont care whether it here or not we gain nothing from it cant you get that into your head ,we fought hard down here to get info from pollies if you could read what they wrote it bit like you they not real sure ,, maybe you and cb could go back join your circus

Now look what you've done Andy - robo55 has gone away & tried to find this "mystical science" that you speak of and his brain has turned to mush.............

Hope you are satisfied now...........

Mark

[cod_botherer]

Can someone interpret in english please???

No problem cobiaman.

CB, I am happy for you to disagree with me, but I think you need to give it more thought. If we remove all the biomass of a bait species, larger predatory fish will suffer. What will happen then I hear you say?

As to you Andy, perhaps your moniker is a misnomer. I believe the government is untrustworthy. As previously stated, there are other parts of the world where this type of fishing has decimated stocks while governments allow it. Some of my very dear acquaintances in mother Britain are in a position to confirm this.

In any event, I am disturbed that you say you are not a fishermen anymore, it saddens me to be frank. It implies that you no longer care if this trawler is here or not. I would like to reiterate that we attain no benefit from allowing it to plunder our resources, and I'm surprised you can't see that. In the southern states, we have mounted a concerted campaign to reveal information from political sources. If you could read the data we have been given, you would see that, like you they are not entirely sure of the outcomes.

Perhaps you and CB should concentrate on your real vocation, travelling entertainment.

[PADDLES]

so C_B, do you have a firm opinion on this ship? it appears you have an opinion on this style of fishing? what do you really think? how do you think this should be managed? straight english opinion please, no horses, pigs or farms.

personally, i don't know what to think. on the one hand i'd love to think that the government knows enough about fisheries management to make an informed decision on this issue. on the other, it's been shown that these things can wreck the place, but usually this is where there is very little management.

there is a third stakeholder here, the many smaller boats/operators/livelihoods that this ship will suddenly replace in the total quota.

[netmaker]

will be a sad day when the stake holders are just steak holders

[cod_botherer]

so C_B, do you have a firm opinion on this ship? it appears you have an opinion on this style of fishing? what do you really think? how do you think this should be managed? straight english opinion please, no horses, pigs or farms.

personally, i don't know what to think. on the one hand i'd love to think that the government knows enough about fisheries management to make an informed decision on this issue. on the other, it's been shown that these things can wreck the place, but usually this is where there is very little management.

there is a third stakeholder here, the many smaller boats/operators/livelihoods that this ship will suddenly replace in the total quota.

Paddles, I only really got involved to back up the idea that reason should triumph over reactionary hearsay.

But since you asked me a straight question, I’ll be straight.

After six years of due process including scientific analysis, expense and conditional approval up the ying yang, this boat has been blocked by a twitter campaign run by mis-informed, politically obsessed, far-left, sandal wearing inner-city latte sippers who have possibly never been in a boat.

As a brief aside, some of you may know that the original hastily written legislation to block the boat after the twitter scare was to allow the minister to ban any fishing, of any type, anywhere he saw fit (paraphrasing a bit). Thankfully this was opposed and amended, can you imagine the consequences?

What has not been discussed on this forum is sovereign risk. Who now wants to invest in Australia after this debacle? If we keep doing this, we won’t be able to afford to fish, full stop.

As a general principle, I think resources should be exploited provided they are carefully managed, unless you want to live by candle light and walk everywhere.

[PADDLES]

i agree C_B

[Matthias]

Finally some people with half a brain!

[SunnyCoastMark]

Paddles, I only really got involved to back up the idea that reason should triumph over reactionary hearsay.

But since you asked me a straight question, I’ll be straight.

After six years of due process including scientific analysis, expense and conditional approval up the ying yang, this boat has been blocked by a twitter campaign run by mis-informed, politically obsessed, far-left, sandal wearing inner-city latte sippers who have possibly never been in a boat.

As a brief aside, some of you may know that the original hastily written legislation to block the boat after the twitter scare was to allow the minister to ban any fishing, of any type, anywhere he saw fit (paraphrasing a bit). Thankfully this was opposed and amended, can you imagine the consequences?

What has not been discussed on this forum is sovereign risk. Who now wants to invest in Australia after this debacle? If we keep doing this, we won’t be able to afford to fish, full stop.

As a general principle, I think resources should be exploited provided they are carefully managed, unless you want to live by candle light and walk everywhere.

Not sure if "exploited" is the right word?. but yes our resources can certainly be used if well managed with the aid of unbiased complete science.

Obviously the preference is by Australian interests for Australian interests. The whole idea of an overseas conglomerate setting up shop here to take our fish and send them back overseas, is the main bug bear for me.

Mark

[TheRealAndy]

Not sure if "exploited" is the right word?.
Mark

From the oxford dictionary :
Definition of exploit
verb
Pronunciation: /ɪkˈsplɔɪt, ɛk-/ [with object]
1 make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource):

[MudRiverDan]

Not sure if "exploited" is the right word?. but yes our resources can certainly be used if well managed with the aid of unbiased complete science.

Obviously the preference is by Australian interests for Australian interests. The whole idea of an overseas conglomerate setting up shop here to take our fish and send them back overseas, is the main bug bear for me.

Mark

Yes it is kind of funny, for years we were told of the great threat of fishermen from the North coming to Australian waters in their tin shanty punts catching a few sharks.

Now we got a boat the size of the Opera house here and it is all okely dokely..

Of course we would have to question this.

Dan

[MudRiverDan]

Here are some links.

Environmental Economics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_economics

Ecological Economics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_economics

I wonder which one they are going with?


Dan