Dan.. they are gun bait for sure.. its the only landbased spot i know to get them anywhere up here.. im originally from south NSW and i used to get them off the jetties and directly of the rocks everywhere down there... up here though wow.. it took me years of searching to finally get them land based.. Anyway now i have just bought an offshore boat it doesnt matter anymore lol.. but for jewies they are dynamite!!!! well worth the effort of locating and carting them out in an aerated bucket thats for sure..