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Thread: Creek Creations Polyester thread test

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    Creek Creations Polyester thread test

    Recently I found a source of polyester thread that has a range to rival madeira and is priced extremely well.
    For those of us in Australia, Madeira can be a little hard to get and is priced at between $3.80-$6.00 for an 1100 yard spool.
    The thread I have come across at Creek Creations online embroidery shop can be had for as little as $2.00 per 1000 metre (1093 yard) spool.
    They have quite a large range of colours in 40wt which mimic those sold by Brother and Janome.
    So the big question is...
    Is this stuff any good for use on rods?

    I decided to find out by purchasing just a few colours and carrying out some tests.
    Being made for embriodery, I was expecting that there could be problems with fisheyes in rod finish due to the silicon coating often used on embroidery threads to aid in feeding through sewing machines.
    I found no such problems with this thread.
    However!
    What I did find, was that unless you're doing a tartan wrap or similar, the use of CP on this thread for any colour other than black is a must.
    Upon application of the epoxy finish (I used Bullards D2), this thread becomes very transparent if not very well sealed with CP.
    I also found with the white thread, that painting the blank white gave better results, but this can be said for pretty much all threads regardless of brand.
    I did several test wraps to test what happens with and without CP.
    My usual CP of choice is Chromaseal. I find it seals well, but do note that it tends to lighten the thread underneath with each application.
    I have also found that it must be shaken very well to mix the solids evenly through the bottle.
    Failure to do so results in very patchy results.
    On one test I also tried some Speed thread sealer, which is a solvent based product.
    As I expected, it reacted with the thread in somewhat the same manner as direct application of epoxy finish, making the thread somewhat transparent.
    I found that the thread required several coats of Chromaseal to ensure that it not turn transparent (although I feel I could have let the chromaseal settle too long on the single coat tests as it was "thin" which could indicate the solids had begun to settle).
    Either way, I would not take the risk of using just a single coat on a weave or cross wrap which has taken hours to do.
    It is far smarter to select your colours to allow for the lightening of shade caused by the CP.

    Physically, the spools are a little taller than say Bullards spools.
    Like Bullards, they have a "washer" on the bottom of the spool which helps stop the thread going under the spool in use, as can sometimes happen with Madeira.
    This washer also doubles as a thread lock so that you can stop the thread unwinding when not in use.
    I found no "fuzzies" in my tests and strength tests put it on a par with Madeira and Bullards.

    So what's the verdict?

    Well I wouldn't throw out all my other threads to rush out and buy this stuff, but it is definately suitable for thread art if used appropriately and consideration is given to the requirement for CP.
    This is no different than when using raw nylon thread.
    There are a wide range of colours available and when bought in packs, the price is very good!
    The colours seem quite vibrant and the black is very black.
    I don't believe you can ever have too much thread, so I can see a full pack on the horizon
    I definately don't see this thread as a replacement for my Bullards or Madeira thread (or Gudebrod for that matter), but from what I've seen so far it's a cost effective solution for anyone who requires a wide colour selection.

    On a side note, they also sell a very good polycarbonate thread holder.
    It holds 30 spools and has pegs moulded into the bottom to hold them all in place.
    It is also stackable.

    Disclaimer!
    I have only carried out tests on three colours of this thread and with a limited number of CP and epoxy brands.
    You should always carry out tests using your own combination of CP and epoxy before committing to purchasing large quantities of any thread, or using a new thread type on a rod!


    Here's the pics!
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    Cheers,
    Owen


    The whole world's mad save thee & me (but I'm not too sure about thee)

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    Re: Creek Creations Polyester thread test

    Awesome Owen thanks for the heads up.
    Graham

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    Re: Creek Creations Polyester thread test

    owen, thanks for taking the time to do the tests
    cheers

    ian

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    Re: Creek Creations Polyester thread test

    Hey Owen just curious mate. Being only a newbie I've only used Prowrap metallic and the left over Gudebrod metallic that came with all the gear I bought off a bloke who sold up. Okay he did have some PacBay metallic stuff too but I found it a bit hard to work with!
    Anyway with the extra effort required with the other stuff and having to use CP, I'm just wondering why you go to the trouble? Does the standard polyester come up really good with CP? I have also bought some Prowrap Colour fast for over binds instead of the Prowrap Nylon so I don't have to use CP. Am I going to see fading with these down the track and should I go down the road of using a CP and these other threads?

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    Daintreeboy
    All thread requires CP to stop it going translucent or darkening when epoxy is applied.
    Dark colours are less affected.

    NCP thread or any others that say they don't need it actually have already had it applied during production.

    "Raw" thread is usually brighter and in the case of black it will be "blacker" without CP.

    The only difference between so called "rod building" thread and any other polyester thread is that when ordered for rod building it may have CP added and won't have silicon added.

    People who use embroidery thread are usually doing cross wraps and weaves so they're chasing a wide colour range.
    When you have 5 or 6 shades of any colour you can do fades etc.
    This makes it worth any hassles inherent in it.
    Embroidery thread is usually 40wt which is slightly smaller than "A" , so it's limited in its use for guides to lighter rods or fly rods.
    Cheers,
    Owen


    The whole world's mad save thee & me (but I'm not too sure about thee)

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    Re: Creek Creations Polyester thread test

    Good review of the thread Owen. I like your disclaimer at the bottom - that's a smart move! Like you, I experiment every now and then with polyester threads. Most polyester threads are really good but people just need to be aware of the limitations. For cross wraps and weaves, I think they are the greatest thing going and to have to use CP on them is never really an issue if you want to keep the colours brilliant. People should never be afraid of using CP either. It has its role in rod building.

    Regards
    Mark

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    Re: Creek Creations Polyester thread test

    Brilliant report there Owen. Thanks for the information. Might consider using it.

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